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Post by sammyb on Dec 13, 2022 18:25:39 GMT 8
$1200 Far out. Still shocks me. How do they justify the price? like buying a house. Its got A value. Sure, some people will pay anything to get what they want, but the average person has to have a price that’s a show stopper Yeah. I'm keen as to go around again, but until I can afford it, I'll keep building a base.
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Post by prince on Dec 14, 2022 6:55:28 GMT 8
i would love to know what they are spending the $1200 on, considering the amount of volunteers. It aint the towels as they seem to only last about 18mths. Maybe its the Maurten gels.
There is a trend (according to the Triathlon Mockery Podcast) to store and load up near the last of the aid stations on Maurten gels for future use... At around $2.50 a pop, I don't blame anyone doing that. Would it be suspicious if i took 30 gels at the last aid station?
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Post by chumpy on Dec 14, 2022 7:51:31 GMT 8
So do we know why they did this and do we rate the bike course faster/slower/the same
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Post by Peter on Dec 14, 2022 8:42:47 GMT 8
i would love to know what they are spending the $1200 on, considering the amount of volunteers. It aint the towels as they seem to only last about 18mths. Maybe its the Maurten gels. There is a trend (according to the Triathlon Mockery Podcast) to store and load up near the last of the aid stations on Maurten gels for future use... At around $2.50 a pop, I don't blame anyone doing that. Would it be suspicious if i took 30 gels at the last aid station? Ha. Just go and volunteer and put 10 boxes in your car.
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Post by flanman on Dec 15, 2022 3:25:27 GMT 8
Not a fan of Maurten gels. Almost gagged on them at WS HIM. They are a cross between jelly and slime.
FM
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Post by prince on Dec 15, 2022 6:48:10 GMT 8
Not a fan of Maurten gels. Almost gagged on them at WS HIM. They are a cross between jelly and slime. FM or snot.
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Post by Peter on Dec 15, 2022 9:24:00 GMT 8
Not a fan of Maurten gels. Almost gagged on them at WS HIM. They are a cross between jelly and slime. FM I don’t mind them. I like jelly. http://instagram.com/p/BCsbN7Zxdi-
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Post by IronJimbo on Dec 19, 2022 10:51:14 GMT 8
So do we know why they did this NIMBYs in Laureton Jury still seems to be out on whether the bike course will be better or worse
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Post by Peter on Dec 20, 2022 0:54:50 GMT 8
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Post by greyman on Feb 24, 2023 11:01:07 GMT 8
$1200 Far out. Still shocks me. How do they justify the price? like buying a house. Its got A value. Sure, some people will pay anything to get what they want, but the average person has to have a price that’s a show stopper
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Post by greyman on Feb 24, 2023 11:11:47 GMT 8
No IM race is worth over a grand. There is no value for money for the average punter. Cost is the major contributor to the high percentage of “one and done” athletes racing Ironman distance events. The sport of long distance racing will never grow at a sustainable rate, where events last longer than seven years and the overall participation rates across all races / events grow more than 10 % pa, if Ironman don’t address this turnover rate. Sooner or later they will run out of a large annual number of first time Ironman competitors and that’s when this part of the sport will nose dive.
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Post by prince on Feb 24, 2023 11:12:37 GMT 8
How do they justify the price? like buying a house. Its got A value. Sure, some people will pay anything to get what they want, but the average person has to have a price that’s a show stopper and remember when entry got you a competitors shirt at check in, entry to a carbo party on the friday night, a bagful of goodies, medal, decent towel, finisher shirt, and entry to the presentation dinner.
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Post by greyman on Feb 24, 2023 11:29:51 GMT 8
Don’t forget the car sticker.
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Post by Peter on Feb 24, 2023 13:02:21 GMT 8
And a bottle opener. And a hammer.
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Post by aplover on Feb 24, 2023 13:29:22 GMT 8
And a bottle opener. And a hammer. And a tape measure
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Post by flanman on Feb 27, 2023 18:07:29 GMT 8
And key rings.... FM
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Post by Slunnie on Feb 28, 2023 17:51:50 GMT 8
and remember when entry got you a competitors shirt at check in, entry to a carbo party on the friday night, a bagful of goodies, medal, decent towel, finisher shirt, and entry to the presentation dinner. Yep, it's bullsh!t now. I remember all of the die hards complaining they had so many medals that they threw in the bin, so many t-shirts they never wore, didn't want to eat in the bigtop tent and now its all gone its crap. Remember how special they made it, particularly for people who were first timers, it was absolutely amazing. Every year they make it cheaper and cheaper but charge more and more. I still am blown away by having to buy $20 special needs bags that are loaded with plastic to save using 1/100gram plastic bags. Every year I wonder how they're going to make it cheaper for them at the expense of competitor value and every year they come up with something new. It wont be long before you have to buy a $150 VIP pass to run down the finishers chute, the in town food voucher will be gone, finishers shirts will be $90, aid stations will start accepting EFTPOS and towels will become the same generic towel as used in the 70.3 events. Yet I will still be paying $1200 to do the event again, but I'm genuinely surprised so many people pay that much for the experience.
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Post by Peter on Feb 28, 2023 18:08:22 GMT 8
$1200 for a one day race entry is insane now.
That’s so many other events you could do for that amount of money.
There’s a swim here this weekend. 2.5k. Its $50. And a mate said its too Expensive but he’s entered cairns Ironman. Ha.
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Post by prince on Feb 28, 2023 21:55:50 GMT 8
and how many backpacks does the average man need...
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Post by roxii on Mar 1, 2023 6:40:49 GMT 8
and remember when entry got you a competitors shirt at check in, entry to a carbo party on the friday night, a bagful of goodies, medal, decent towel, finisher shirt, and entry to the presentation dinner. Yep, it's bullsh!t now. I remember all of the die hards complaining they had so many medals that they threw in the bin, so many t-shirts they never wore, didn't want to eat in the bigtop tent and now its all gone its crap. Remember how special they made it, particularly for people who were first timers, it was absolutely amazing. Every year they make it cheaper and cheaper but charge more and more. I still am blown away by having to buy $20 special needs bags that are loaded with plastic to save using 1/100gram plastic bags. Every year I wonder how they're going to make it cheaper for them at the expense of competitor value and every year they come up with something new. It wont be long before you have to buy a $150 VIP pass to run down the finishers chute, the in town food voucher will be gone, finishers shirts will be $90, aid stations will start accepting EFTPOS and towels will become the same generic towel as used in the 70.3 events. Yet I will still be paying $1200 to do the event again, but I'm genuinely surprised so many people pay that much for the experience. I still have every finishers towel, every competitors shirt, every finishers shirt, every medal, still have the stickers and key rings, even the laminated photo lanyards you used to get back in the day. They are all in a crate in the roof, was going to throw them all out, then when they survived the tornado I thought it was a sign to keep them. But yeah every year I made use of all the facilities, went to every carbo, every presso (they used to be massive nights, especially Maccas first win) it was all part of the race experience. It sounds like "old man speak" but the experience has been diluted so much that while the race remains the same the event is barely a shadow of itself.
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Post by prince on Mar 1, 2023 7:26:36 GMT 8
For me the worst is the no carbo party or presentation party. It was the only time you get to get a 'feel' for the event and meet others. I would even pay extra if they would have this. Does anyone know when these stopped?
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Post by andrewearlwood on Mar 1, 2023 13:36:08 GMT 8
Personally, I was never a fan of the carbo dinner. Two nights before the race was always the best time to optimise rest and sleep: that, and having the compulsory race briefing at 9am the following morning (plus bike check-in that afternoon) made for a unnecessarily long 24 hour period prior to the final attempt at sleep the night before the big dance. Also, I much prefer a presentation event kicking off around lunchtime the day after: I always found that kicking on past 9pm the day after an ironman was also unnecessarily stressful if one had a full day’s travel scheduled the day after.
Maybe some sort of ‘for free’ informal social gathering could be held - say after the team parade/undies run on the Thursday, with a brunch presentation event from 11am on Monday (with people then able to kick on at local pubs and clubs from that afternoon) would be a bit of a ‘win/win’ (saving money and also enhancing the experience generally).
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Post by andrewearlwood on Mar 1, 2023 13:39:56 GMT 8
For me the worst is the no carbo party or presentation party. It was the only time you get to get a 'feel' for the event and meet others. I would even pay extra if they would have this. Does anyone know when these stopped? No presentation party sucks, but see my comments above re the carbo dinner: would much prefer a social gathering three days before the race, given all the stuff that has to be done in the last 36 hours prior to an ironman.
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Post by prince on Mar 1, 2023 13:47:55 GMT 8
For me the worst is the no carbo party or presentation party. It was the only time you get to get a 'feel' for the event and meet others. I would even pay extra if they would have this. Does anyone know when these stopped? No presentation party sucks, but see my comments above re the carbo dinner: would much prefer a social gathering three days before the race, given all the stuff that has to be done in the last 36 hours prior to an ironman. does any ironman apart from Kona do presentation dinners. Not sure if NZ does, but if they do, it would be worth considering.
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Post by Slunnie on Mar 1, 2023 16:11:21 GMT 8
Yep, it's bullsh!t now. I remember all of the die hards complaining they had so many medals that they threw in the bin, so many t-shirts they never wore, didn't want to eat in the bigtop tent and now its all gone its crap. Remember how special they made it, particularly for people who were first timers, it was absolutely amazing. Every year they make it cheaper and cheaper but charge more and more. I still am blown away by having to buy $20 special needs bags that are loaded with plastic to save using 1/100gram plastic bags. Every year I wonder how they're going to make it cheaper for them at the expense of competitor value and every year they come up with something new. It wont be long before you have to buy a $150 VIP pass to run down the finishers chute, the in town food voucher will be gone, finishers shirts will be $90, aid stations will start accepting EFTPOS and towels will become the same generic towel as used in the 70.3 events. Yet I will still be paying $1200 to do the event again, but I'm genuinely surprised so many people pay that much for the experience. I still have every finishers towel, every competitors shirt, every finishers shirt, every medal, still have the stickers and key rings, even the laminated photo lanyards you used to get back in the day. They are all in a crate in the roof, was going to throw them all out, then when they survived the tornado I thought it was a sign to keep them. But yeah every year I made use of all the facilities, went to every carbo, every presso (they used to be massive nights, especially Maccas first win) it was all part of the race experience. It sounds like "old man speak" but the experience has been diluted so much that while the race remains the same the event is barely a shadow of itself. Absolutely. I think your comment that I've bolded just sums it up so perfectly.
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Post by Peter on Mar 1, 2023 16:16:40 GMT 8
Its why I think more people are one and done. I did 10 Ironmans. Last one in2012.
I love the sport but it would take a lot to get me do 11.
I could do the swim and most of the run tomorrow. Bike would come within 12 weeks of training
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Post by andrewearlwood on Mar 1, 2023 23:19:36 GMT 8
No presentation party sucks, but see my comments above re the carbo dinner: would much prefer a social gathering three days before the race, given all the stuff that has to be done in the last 36 hours prior to an ironman. does any ironman apart from Kona do presentation dinners. Not sure if NZ does, but if they do, it would be worth considering. Maybe things are different ‘these days’, but all the ironman distance races I’ve done (1999 - 2013) had presentation parties: Yeppoon (a non m dot full distance race), NZ, Forster & Cairns. I’m sure that IMWA and Melbourne also had them. In fact I never heard of any ironman race that didn’t have them. ‘Back in the day’, the best presentation parties were put on by the World Cup Triathlon on the Gold Coast (1988-1994).
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Post by roxii on Mar 2, 2023 4:48:03 GMT 8
Was there some issue back in the day where the big marquee was not "allowed" (or so we were told) to be set up in Westport Park. Once the marquee went that was it for the big events. Could have also been a great bit of number crunching with the boffins realising how much the marquee hire was costing them.
It was also possibly done in the guise of getting more patrons to the Panthers club which was a "sponsor" of the race.
Year one at Port was a MASSIVE night, Macca won, it was his birthday, there was still a huge crowd at the club when they were closing and Macca left in a shopping trolley
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Post by steve on Mar 2, 2023 7:09:27 GMT 8
does any ironman apart from Kona do presentation dinners. Not sure if NZ does, but if they do, it would be worth considering. IMNZ scrapped athlete get-togethers too. No undy run, no splash and dash, no swim the course, no 5K run, no parade of nations, no carbo dinner, no mass briefing, no awards brunch/dinner (it varied in the past). The roll down and awards presentation is held late morning on Sunday at the auditorium at the Great Lake Centre - some risers for a stage and collapsible chairs in the hall. Very perfunctory. Instead of a race briefing, there are times scheduled for guided tours of the transition area. That was an improvement - instead of sitting for an hour or two listening to people read their powerpoint slides, we got a quick, knowledgeable briefing by the course director, with plenty of time for questions. The social events and ceremonies around IMs made it very special back in the day. I made a ton of friends my first year there in 2000. Hooksie's IMNZ One List email group and side gatherings played a big part in that, but so did the events. All that is gone.
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Post by FatPom on Mar 2, 2023 15:16:43 GMT 8
I've entered IM Wales again this year but doubt I will do it. (I'm on Flex 90, so can get 50% back I think). I really want to concentrate on Arc100 in 2024.
I can't remember how much it was but I got in on Tier 1 and I think it was £480 with fees, I'm sure it wasn't over £500.
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