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Post by prince on Apr 25, 2023 7:48:24 GMT 8
What can you say about a cheat like this. Plenty is already being said so the only thing I want to know, how many others are out there (doing it 'properly' so its not detected) as I honestly had no idea.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Apr 25, 2023 8:26:32 GMT 8
He started taking EPO only in November, apparently.
Yeah, right.
He is saying that his cheating started by taking EPO a month after he won back to back big races and at the beginning of his off season. Shenanigans.
Dishonest in the deed. Dishonest in the explanation. His apology belongs in the bin. Along with his career.
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Post by prince on Apr 25, 2023 8:46:03 GMT 8
I agree, why would you start taking it after having such a great race in Dallas and how did he come from no where to even have such an amazing race at Dallas. I reckon the reason he won't admit he was juiced at Dallas is because he would need to pay back the $100k he won.
He said he wasn't and challenged the PTO to retest his samples, but I doubt it would be that simple.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Apr 25, 2023 11:25:19 GMT 8
Yeah, he needs the money while starts to build a new career from scratch. Lucky for him there is a labour shortage in America for college graduates, but he’ll only likely end up stuck in some middling job wearing a suit and tie 9 to 5, if he’s lucky.
Of course, he could move to LA and become a Lifeguard, swim coach and PT to the stars.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Apr 25, 2023 11:28:40 GMT 8
The whole ‘November, because I was tired, injured and down’ excuse is risible. He’d had a long season with really solid results, so if he was tired and injured and lacking in motivation only, he’d simply have taken a month off and rebooted. I’d say he was on the juice in February when he got pinged, because by custom and practice that would have been the time of the year when he was doing big ramps in training volume and needed that bit of extra oomph to back up day in day out for 4 to 6 hours of aerobic training. Just like last year i reckon.
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Post by thriatlonfun on Apr 25, 2023 22:37:18 GMT 8
The International Testing Agency (ITA), after the positive EPO test carried out on 10 February, stopped the American Collin Chartier for 3 years.
Chartier, who won the PTO US Open and Ironman Mont Tremblant in 2022, immediately admitted his guilt and for this he received 1 year off his sentence.
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Post by prince on Apr 26, 2023 8:52:44 GMT 8
The whole ‘November, because I was tired, injured and down’ excuse is risible. He’d had a long season with really solid results, so if he was tired and injured and lacking in motivation only, he’d simply have taken a month off and rebooted. I’d say he was on the juice in February when he got pinged, because by custom and practice that would have been the time of the year when he was doing big ramps in training volume and needed that bit of extra oomph to back up day in day out for 4 to 6 hours of aerobic training. Just like last year i reckon. Josh Amberger reckons he was on the juice when he raced him and he won at Mt Tremblant which was in August 2022. I don't know if they test at every race or even if they did, how hard it is to time it so its out of your system. It would be interesting to see all of Chartier's results over the past few years to see if its been a fairly natural progression or has he suddenly made some huge gains. |
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Post by zed on Apr 26, 2023 20:48:20 GMT 8
The whole ‘November, because I was tired, injured and down’ excuse is risible. He’d had a long season with really solid results, so if he was tired and injured and lacking in motivation only, he’d simply have taken a month off and rebooted. I’d say he was on the juice in February when he got pinged, because by custom and practice that would have been the time of the year when he was doing big ramps in training volume and needed that bit of extra oomph to back up day in day out for 4 to 6 hours of aerobic training. Just like last year i reckon. Josh Amberger reckons he was on the juice when he raced him and he won at Mt Tremblant which was in August 2022. I don't know if they test at every race or even if they did, how hard it is to time it so its out of your system. It would be interesting to see all of Chartier's results over the past few years to see if its been a fairly natural progression or has he suddenly made some huge gains. EPO can be out your system in days or even hours if you're micro-dosing and I think most if not all dopers don't touch the stuff close to races. I had a very quick look at his ITU results and probably be described as mediocre. Placing 30th, 40th in big world cup races, winning smaller races. Certainly not of the same pedigree as Brownlee, Frodo, KB etc He'd average 42, 43 km/hr for most of the 40k OD races, fast forward to 2022 and he averaged 41 km/hr for 180km at IM Mount Tremblant. Marginally slower than his sprint and OD speed! |
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Post by steve on Apr 26, 2023 23:33:36 GMT 8
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Post by prince on Apr 27, 2023 6:16:56 GMT 8
To me it almost should be a criminal investigation to determine if he was in fact using before at the races he won at, as technically hasn't he possibly 'stolen' or defrauded prize money. If it was a criminal case, they could so easily serve a search warrant and gather his laptop, view his phone records and bank records. That would so easily determine when he purchased the gear.
It might sound extreme, but i can't see the difference between this and some white collar crimes against an employer.
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Post by zed on Apr 27, 2023 6:44:13 GMT 8
To me it almost should be a criminal investigation to determine if he was in fact using before at the races he won at, as technically hasn't he possibly 'stolen' or defrauded prize money. If it was a criminal case, they could so easily serve a search warrant and gather his laptop, view his phone records and bank records. That would so easily determine when he purchased the gear. It might sound extreme, but i can't see the difference between this and some white collar crimes against an employer. Nah I don't think it's extreme. It is fraud. He's cheated companies, sponsors and other athletes out of a lot of money. |
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Post by thriatlonfun on Apr 27, 2023 8:56:21 GMT 8
Triathlete Josh Amberger is known for his rapid swimming, aggressive cycling and most importantly his cheerful disposition. And despite holding more than ten Ironman titles, he's still considered an up-and-comer. Either way, this swashbuckling Australian is one to watch – whether for his sporting excellence, or through-the-roof entertainment factor.
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Post by prince on Apr 27, 2023 9:30:19 GMT 8
Triathlete Josh Amberger is known for his rapid swimming, aggressive cycling and most importantly his cheerful disposition. And despite holding more than ten Ironman titles, he's still considered an up-and-comer. Either way, this swashbuckling Australian is one to watch – whether for his sporting excellence, or through-the-roof entertainment factor. are you a BOT? |
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Post by zed on Apr 27, 2023 14:25:20 GMT 8
Triathlete Josh Amberger is known for his rapid swimming, aggressive cycling and most importantly his cheerful disposition. And despite holding more than ten Ironman titles, he's still considered an up-and-comer. Either way, this swashbuckling Australian is one to watch – whether for his sporting excellence, or through-the-roof entertainment factor. are you a BOT? Must be: www.on-running.com/en-hk/stories/josh-amberger |
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Post by prince on Apr 28, 2023 8:44:13 GMT 8
wow! Mark Allen has said that Chartier saw a lawyer (Chris Froome Lawyer) before after he was caught, to discuss his options , and before he made his statement. He was actually going to fight it. What a dirty dog
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Post by sammyb on Apr 28, 2023 17:21:51 GMT 8
AND....
The PTO testing pool DOESN'T include Iden or Blu....
Hmmm....
Who's been redefining the sport lately....
Hmmm.....
Where have I seen this before.....
Ah....it'll all blow over....
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Post by sammyb on Apr 28, 2023 17:25:51 GMT 8
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Post by prince on Apr 29, 2023 9:04:58 GMT 8
from what Joe Skipper says, the testing is crap anyway, being that they hardly test. I think you will find those in other testing pools would get tested more often, mainly because they are linked to Olympic funding, at least the Norwegians are anyway.
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Post by zed on Apr 30, 2023 16:41:26 GMT 8
from what Joe Skipper says, the testing is crap anyway, being that they hardly test. I think you will find those in other testing pools would get tested more often, mainly because they are linked to Olympic funding, at least the Norwegians are anyway. Also tests are not done from 11pm to 6am. If an athlete only takes a small dose of EPO at 11pm it might not register if the athlete is tested at 6am the next day. I'm guessing Chartier was taking larger amounts and/or being careless. If you're careful and only micro-dosing there's virtually no chance you'll get caught. |
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Post by andrewearlwood on May 1, 2023 11:54:37 GMT 8
Remember how USADA brought down Lance? First a couple of former USPS-Discovery Channel worker bees who went on to bigger things with other teams got pinged for sloppy doping violations and pressure was brought to bear on them to give up others. Then they got Hincapie to confess and the whole methodology was revealed. At that point it was game over for Lance. assuming Colin isn’t a loan ranger, and gets sh!tty with being in the doghouse (and remember Floyd turned because Lance snubbed him) then what are the odds of yet another high profile doping syndicate ends up being exposed. Look how Norway is well and truly punching above its weight: not just in Triathlon, but also other endurance based elite sports … |
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Post by Peter on May 1, 2023 13:19:42 GMT 8
He started taking EPO only in November, apparently. Yeah, right. the facts are he was tested twice at Dallas and was clean. <style type="text/css"></style><style type="text/css">a[href^="http://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}a[href^="https://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}#ad1{display:none !important;}[id^="ad-"], #remove_ads_link{display:none !important;}[class*="NotificationsBell__notificationsWrapper-"]{display:none !important;}amp-app-banner{display:none !important;}</style> |
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Post by Peter on May 1, 2023 13:20:59 GMT 8
The whole ‘November, because I was tired, injured and down’ excuse is risible. He’d had a long season with really solid results, so if he was tired and injured and lacking in motivation only, he’d simply have taken a month off and rebooted. I’d say he was on the juice in February when he got pinged, because by custom and practice that would have been the time of the year when he was doing big ramps in training volume and needed that bit of extra oomph to back up day in day out for 4 to 6 hours of aerobic training. Just like last year i reckon. Josh Amberger reckons he was on the juice when he raced him and he won at Mt Tremblant which was in August 2022. I don't know if they test at every race or even if they did, how hard it is to time it so its out of your system. It would be interesting to see all of Chartier's results over the past few years to see if its been a fairly natural progression or has he suddenly made some huge gains. Ironman test every winner. So he would have been tested after his win at Mt Tremblant. <style type="text/css"></style><style type="text/css">a[href^="https://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}[class*="NotificationsBell__notificationsWrapper-"]{display:none !important;}#ad1{display:none !important;}amp-app-banner{display:none !important;}[id^="ad-"], #remove_ads_link{display:none !important;}a[href^="http://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}</style> |
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Post by Peter on May 1, 2023 13:24:11 GMT 8
I don’t get all the fuss. Plenty have tested positive and its never Blown up this much.
Beth McKenzie was positive and nothing was mentioned and the Noosa crew still worship her.
As for Luke crying on his Instagram when Colin admitted to being positive, give me a spell.
He’s wife has served a ban for drug use.
That was crocodile tears because Wyn sponsored Colin. <style type="text/css"></style><style type="text/css">amp-app-banner{display:none !important;}a[href^="https://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}[class*="NotificationsBell__notificationsWrapper-"]{display:none !important;}a[href^="http://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}[id^="ad-"], #remove_ads_link{display:none !important;}#ad1{display:none !important;}</style>
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Post by prince on May 2, 2023 7:25:13 GMT 8
Josh Amberger reckons he was on the juice when he raced him and he won at Mt Tremblant which was in August 2022. I don't know if they test at every race or even if they did, how hard it is to time it so its out of your system. It would be interesting to see all of Chartier's results over the past few years to see if its been a fairly natural progression or has he suddenly made some huge gains. Ironman test every winner. So he would have been tested after his win at Mt Tremblant. <style type="text/css"></style><style type="text/css">a[href^="https://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}[class*="NotificationsBell__notificationsWrapper-"]{display:none !important;}#ad1{display:none !important;}amp-app-banner{display:none !important;}[id^="ad-"], #remove_ads_link{display:none !important;}a[href^="http://www.mobi24.net/"]{display:none !important;}</style> But he knew he would be tested at the race so easy to cut back on is EPO regime. The simple fact that he was going to fight the positive test by discussing with a lawyer, then coming out and making out he is holier than mighty by admitting his guilt, just stinks. Then there is his statement that he had already contacted all his sponsors, which wasn't true. Also, why on this earth would you commence doping after winning what was arguably the hottest race last year. It just doesn't add up. Too many inconsistencies in Chartiers story to me means he is an absolute liar. I also wouldn't be surprised to see him make a comeback after the 3 years despite him saying his professional career is over. Once a liar always a liar. I don't know alot about Beth Mckenzies case but agree, Luke should have been the last person to make any statement about Chartier. Not real smart to do so when your wife was guilty of taking an anabolic steroid. |
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Post by flanman on May 2, 2023 8:34:09 GMT 8
Just read an article online re an interview with his coach. After reading it, I am not sure I would want him as a coach. He doesn't know about this, he doesn't know about that, he just sends out plans and if the triathlete doesn't come back - well, all is good. Not really a pro's coach.It's only the coach's side job to his main with the Norwegian Team. When he analysed his data, he thought it was from working too hard, maybe not enough fluids or just having a great training block. Never contacted him to ask any questions.
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Post by properbatman on May 2, 2023 9:57:00 GMT 8
Sounds like something out of Hogans Heroes to me
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Post by Peter on May 2, 2023 14:25:30 GMT 8
But what does it matter to 99% of us?
It doesnt
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Post by prince on May 3, 2023 6:20:16 GMT 8
But what does it matter to 99% of us? It doesnt sure it does. If you watch races then its annoying to see someone win it who has no right being there. It also tarnishes the sport to now wonder if any decent performance is drug induced. If according to Charter that it was that easy to purchase on line and google on how to use it, then you also wonder how many age groupers are using it. |
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Post by Peter on May 3, 2023 14:03:32 GMT 8
Oh please. Sports are full of drug users.
If you go by your statement, you might as well stop watching sports.
As for age groupers. There would be heaps.
One simple google shows how easy it is in just California.
testerone clinic california
And its easier In Europe. You can buy the stuff over the counter in Mexico.
The age group ranks outside of Australia and NZ and a few Arab countries would be full of it.
You would be delusional to think its not
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Post by Peter on May 3, 2023 14:04:34 GMT 8
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