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Post by Ironnerd on Dec 6, 2021 8:46:21 GMT 8
Are park runs allowed in again in your plague ridden state? They just said on the radio they had 35000 at the MCG yesterday to celebrate the Melbourne FC win in the afl GF. Only 35K! There was 60+K at the actual GF in Perth while you were locked in your house. There was probably double that number in the pubs with no restrictions on numbers. The Perth marathon this year had 600+ finishers. In WA, in 2021, there has been 3 days of full lockdown and 7 days in partial lock down. Its nice to be free. Only 1 more sleep and I will be allowed into fortress WA. How many people were at Ironman Melbourne this year?
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Post by Ironnerd on Dec 6, 2021 9:10:05 GMT 8
Is English Wurf's second language?
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Post by andrewearlwood on Dec 6, 2021 9:29:59 GMT 8
“ How many times have you had him winning Kona before the race started?”
Tripping down amnesia lane I think the answer to that is ‘once’ - ie. next year. I think, from my poor feeble memory, that I have otherwise talked him up as a possible top 10 (2018 - so a tick there), which - from memory you rubbished that and again I think you opined that he’d never run under 3hrs in Kona. In 2019 I predicted top 5, and maybe a chance at a top 3 (another tick there). BUT I did not pick him to beat Frodo. Last year (and this year as it turns out) was a Kona write off. But, I’m not sure I predicted anything other than a top 3 in either.
That said, I still think he has a good chance of at least podiuming at both IM WC races next year, subject to him putting down a full 3 month IM specific preparation program before either. I reckon - 2:34 marathons and Norwegians notwithstanding - he would have a real fighting chance of contesting for the win at either, subject to that qualification. I’m pretty sure I’ve never said anything more - or less - than that.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Dec 6, 2021 9:31:33 GMT 8
“Is English Wurf's second language? ” I suspect that during English classes in high school Cameron was … doing a lot of rowing training (or dozing off from said training).
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Post by kenkong on Dec 6, 2021 9:34:50 GMT 8
They just said on the radio they had 35000 at the MCG yesterday to celebrate the Melbourne FC win in the afl GF. Only 35K! There was 60+K at the actual GF in Perth while you were locked in your house. There was probably double that number in the pubs with no restrictions on numbers. The Perth marathon this year had 600+ finishers. In WA, in 2021, there has been 3 days of full lockdown and 7 days in partial lock down. Its nice to be free. Only 1 more sleep and I will be allowed into fortress WA. How many people were at Ironman Melbourne this year? Mind u it was 35 thousand to watch a bloody medal presentation... Plenty of people with no life it would seem..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 9:43:49 GMT 8
Jeez you drivel sh!te Andrew (wow that was helpful), he DNF, when Lange DNF a race everyone said sure he was ill !! When Frodo said he had a sore back lots of folk said that was handy. So who knows, if he was sick why start? Who cares about his marathon we are talking about Cozumel. If he can't compete with them why do you bother talking him up every race. Now he's having fun living life as a pro, been to the Olympics, ridden and rides on the pro tour and can win IM pro races. By any standard he's had, having a great pro career. How many times have you had him winning Kona before the race started? Wurf talks up everything because he loves the attention. That’s fairly obvious. Certainly. He has had a cool sporting career, probably came to tri a bit late, both in terms of age and the era he came over. Wurf circa 80's nineties early 00's would have been super fun. His numbers stack up with a guy like Stadler, feel that he is a bit better overall than Norman though. Career is a bit late (that's in terms of being able to move his career to an era where his capabilities would have been killer). His swim margin doesn't matter as much as the biking left him a chance to put in some hurt. Any ways he has been fun to watch, at Port 19 his bike run combo were brilliant to watch
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Post by Ironnerd on Dec 6, 2021 10:10:42 GMT 8
Only 35K! There was 60+K at the actual GF in Perth while you were locked in your house. There was probably double that number in the pubs with no restrictions on numbers. The Perth marathon this year had 600+ finishers. In WA, in 2021, there has been 3 days of full lockdown and 7 days in partial lock down. Its nice to be free. Only 1 more sleep and I will be allowed into fortress WA. How many people were at Ironman Melbourne this year? Mind u it was 35 thousand to watch a bloody medal presentation... Plenty of people with no life it would seem.. In a boring city like Melbourne there is not a lot else to do. Most of them would have stayed after the presentation just to watch the grass grow.
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Post by Peter on Dec 6, 2021 10:34:11 GMT 8
LOL 😂.
Comparing Perth for things to do and living compared to melbourne is hilarious.
Perth is a dump.
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Post by Peter on Dec 6, 2021 10:35:22 GMT 8
Back to wurf. He’s skiing. Attachments:
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Post by andrewearlwood on Dec 6, 2021 10:40:19 GMT 8
Back to wurf. He’s skiing. So, I’m guessing he’s currently trying out for the Australian Olympic alpine or Nordic ski team before dashing off to the Ineous camp in Majorca? Am I right … 😂
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Post by roxii on Dec 6, 2021 11:21:57 GMT 8
I think you guys all overthink it. Wurf has made himself a lifelong professional athlete. That means doing sport to pay the bills and not having to work like us schmucks. I reckon he’s just pimping himself out to the highest bidder or whatever puts money in the bank. No point winning any race if there is no money in it, he’s done more on a global stage than most triathletes ever will so I don’t think his ego needs too much stroking. And if he plays a big ego game, I’m sure that’s just for show and to keep the sponsors name in the spotlight. In the end if he’s bringing in the $$$$ he’ll be better off than a lot of faster Ironmen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2021 11:52:46 GMT 8
I think you guys all overthink it. Wurf has made himself a lifelong professional athlete. That means doing sport to pay the bills and not having to work like us schmucks. I reckon he’s just pimping himself out to the highest bidder or whatever puts money in the bank. No point winning any race if there is no money in it, he’s done more on a global stage than most triathletes ever will so I don’t think his ego needs too much stroking. And if he plays a big ego game, I’m sure that’s just for show and to keep the sponsors name in the spotlight. In the end if he’s bringing in the $$$$ he’ll be better off than a lot of faster Ironmen. Probably getting ready to give his rabid fan base an only fans page
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Post by Ironnerd on Dec 6, 2021 12:03:13 GMT 8
“Is English Wurf's second language? ” I suspect that during English classes in high school Cameron was … doing a lot of rowing training (or dozing off from said training). Миний монгол хэл Кам англи хэлнээс дээр. My Mongolian is better than Cam's English.
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Post by Ironnerd on Dec 6, 2021 12:05:50 GMT 8
I think you guys all overthink it. Wurf has made himself a lifelong professional athlete. That means doing sport to pay the bills and not having to work like us schmucks. I reckon he’s just pimping himself out to the highest bidder or whatever puts money in the bank. No point winning any race if there is no money in it, he’s done more on a global stage than most triathletes ever will so I don’t think his ego needs too much stroking. And if he plays a big ego game, I’m sure that’s just for show and to keep the sponsors name in the spotlight. In the end if he’s bringing in the $$$$ he’ll be better off than a lot of faster Ironmen. I would guess that a domestique for Ineos would get paid more than most IM athletes and he gets free coaching.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Dec 6, 2021 12:59:25 GMT 8
I think you guys all overthink it. Wurf has made himself a lifelong professional athlete. That means doing sport to pay the bills and not having to work like us schmucks. I reckon he’s just pimping himself out to the highest bidder or whatever puts money in the bank. No point winning any race if there is no money in it, he’s done more on a global stage than most triathletes ever will so I don’t think his ego needs too much stroking. And if he plays a big ego game, I’m sure that’s just for show and to keep the sponsors name in the spotlight. In the end if he’s bringing in the $$$$ he’ll be better off than a lot of faster Ironmen. 5 years ago I’d agree. But now there is some very serious coin associated with podiuming at IM world championships. There are two next year. Both carry $750K in prise money. Then there are sponsors bonuses, which I am led to believe are actually worth more. Plus appearance fees that are probably available for the next 5 years. Plus PTO bonuses and invites to events like the Collins cup. So I’m not sure your assumption holds true. What is the base pay for an Ineous worker bee? $200K? Less? Until a slot became unexpectedly available for the official roster at the beginning of 2020 Wurf was already on the payroll for his training duties and was being paid ‘in kind’ for the necessary support he needed to race IM. If he races either at Kona or St George he guarantees his sponsors at least 4 hours coverage at the front of the race until the marathon. Perhaps even longer. That’s pretty good value you’d think. I also note that it has only been in his last IM races that the team sponsors logos and branding has appeared on his tri suit (before then it was only suppliers such as pinnarello, kask, castelli that appeared). That indicates that Ineous-Grenadiers sees the value in him racing at the front at IM WC championships. So, with that in mind, it will be interesting to see which way the team directs him next year.
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Post by Peter on Dec 6, 2021 14:01:10 GMT 8
I think you guys all overthink it. Wurf has made himself a lifelong professional athlete. That means doing sport to pay the bills and not having to work like us schmucks. I reckon he’s just pimping himself out to the highest bidder or whatever puts money in the bank. No point winning any race if there is no money in it, he’s done more on a global stage than most triathletes ever will so I don’t think his ego needs too much stroking. And if he plays a big ego game, I’m sure that’s just for show and to keep the sponsors name in the spotlight. In the end if he’s bringing in the $$$$ he’ll be better off than a lot of faster Ironmen. Probably getting ready to give his rabid fan base an only fans page Well jan and luck Charlie’s are trying that
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2021 4:38:03 GMT 8
Probably getting ready to give his rabid fan base an only fans page Well jan and luck Charlie’s are trying that Wurf probably figures the 200 K from Ineos is good as he will actually get that the WC prize money well he's not getting any of that, but you can fit a web link on a down tube so that should get some coverage
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Post by andrewearlwood on Dec 13, 2021 12:00:02 GMT 8
Well jan and luck Charlie’s are trying that Wurf probably figures the 200 K from Ineos is good as he will actually get that the WC prize money well he's not getting any of that, but you can fit a web link on a down tube so that should get some coverage 1. He was probably paid something like $100K just to be the team training partner guy prior to his late signing on the actual roster in 2020. He could expect that, but also some substantial actual sponsorship coin from Ineous, and the various other suppliers of the team that sponsor him personally, plus expenses and access to training facilities and coaching, plus big sponsorship bonuses for even top 10 finishes at IM WC races. That’s just before you get to the actual prize money, appearance money, ranking bonuses etc. So - and please correct me if someone has actual information about this - I’d say his starting financial position ‘(sponsored and supported) Ironman Triathlete’ vs ‘Ineous Pro Tour Domestique’ would be a case of ‘similar difference’, but with the potential to significantly magnify his earnings if he wins or podiums at a WC - something that he has no realistic opportunity of achieving as individual success on Team Ineous. 2. I doubt he’s actually in it for the money at this stage in his life. He’s probably already made some good coin along the way, his father is loaded, his wife is some sort of ‘retired early and rich’ financial hedge fund type with her own trust account. … I mean he didn’t really try to hard to secure sponsorship at all back in 2016-18. I think that was because he was actually independently financially secure at even that stage in his life.
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Post by Peter on Jan 19, 2022 17:21:08 GMT 8
Wurf runs a sub 3 marathon with his dog.
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Post by Peter on Jan 19, 2022 17:21:20 GMT 8
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Post by andrewearlwood on Jan 20, 2022 6:12:00 GMT 8
I’m guessing he didn’t take the dog for the whole 42.2km. He seems to have done 38km at around 3.55 min/km (with variations for terrain - so a 2:30hr long run), then had half an hour off, before trotting out a final 4.2km at slower than 5:30 pace: that’s when he took the doggie, I reckon.
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Post by Peter on Feb 6, 2022 19:17:37 GMT 8
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Post by andrewearlwood on Feb 19, 2022 16:31:02 GMT 8
Thoroughly enjoyed that podcast. Right at the end Wurf mentioned the possibility of qualifying for Kona at St George, subject to his Team Ineous pro tour commitments. Right now there is a feasible pathway for Cam to race St George. He’s doing the Route De Sol this week, but his next likely stage race is in a months time - the Volta a Catalunya from 21-27 March: giving him at least 3 weeks in between for his next IM training block back In Andorra (20km swim weeks, 4-500km of riding with the Ineous training peloton , and 3 x 100km+ run weeks). After Catalunya he is likely to have a week off, which would allow him to put another 20km swim week in, plus his longest single run mid week (say 40-45km on the Wednesday - 5.5 weeks before St George) before doing his last spring 1 week stage race - the Tour of the Basque Country between 4 - 9 April: leaving him a full four weeks to do his race specific prep for St George. I think the team would be happy with him performing domestique duties in 3 stage races, he’d have done the work and would be fresh enough by May 8 to have a great race.
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Post by prince on Feb 21, 2022 2:44:07 GMT 8
Thoroughly enjoyed that podcast. Right at the end Wurf mentioned the possibility of qualifying for Kona at St George, subject to his Team Ineous pro tour commitments. he’d have done the work and would be fresh enough by May 8 to have a great race. He would need to podium at St George and beat the likes or be on par with the Norwegians, Jan and Skipper to name a few. If thats his strategy to get to Kona, I dont think he will be at Kona this year.
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Post by Peter on Feb 21, 2022 4:12:19 GMT 8
Thoroughly enjoyed that podcast. Right at the end Wurf mentioned the possibility of qualifying for Kona at St George, subject to his Team Ineous pro tour commitments. he’d have done the work and would be fresh enough by May 8 to have a great race. He would need to podium at St George and beat the likes or be on par with the Norwegians, Jan and Skipper to name a few. If thats his strategy to get to Kona, I dont think he will be at Kona this year. There are 18 spots to kona at st George. most of the guys already have kona spots. I think brownlee is the only one who hasn’t cam will get a kona spot at st George if he just finishes
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Post by andrewearlwood on Feb 21, 2022 5:40:32 GMT 8
He would need to podium at St George and beat the likes or be on par with the Norwegians, Jan and Skipper to name a few. If thats his strategy to get to Kona, I dont think he will be at Kona this year. There are 18 spots to kona at st George. most of the guys already have kona spots. I think brownlee is the only one who hasn’t cam will get a kona spot at st George if he just finishes I think that there are 8 - not 18 - spots on offer. But you are right: at lest half the pro field are already KQed or are AQ. Anything in the top 20 would very likely see Cam qualify comfortably. Cam is very strong at the moment - he’s done two blocks of back to back 100km run weeks in the last two and a half months already; if he does another month of that sort of training after his current pro tour racing block he’ll be a beast in St George. If you were looking at betting odds, you’d put Frodo, the Norwegians and probably Lange on the top line of betting, but Cam would sit comfortably on the next line alongside Sanders, Skipper and co. Definite top 5 prospect.
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Post by prince on Feb 21, 2022 6:42:48 GMT 8
There are 18 spots to kona at st George. most of the guys already have kona spots. I think brownlee is the only one who hasn’t cam will get a kona spot at st George if he just finishes I think that there are 8 - not 18 - spots on offer. But you are right: at lest half the pro field are already KQed or are AQ. Anything in the top 20 would very likely see Cam qualify comfortably. Cam is very strong at the moment - he’s done two blocks of back to back 100km run weeks in the last two and a half months already; if he does another month of that sort of training after his current pro tour racing block he’ll be a beast in St George. If you were looking at betting odds, you’d put Frodo, the Norwegians and probably Lange on the top line of betting, but Cam would sit comfortably on the next line alongside Sanders, Skipper and co. Definite top 5 prospect. fair call. I dint know there were that many spots. It seems the whole thing is very confusing. I wonder if the spots on offer for Kona for age groupers will also be significantly reduced this year, but that's another thread. I would think Jan isn't a definite starter for St George as he might throw all his cards on the table for his last race at Kona, but he does love to race, so who knows. There is 'big money' on Skipper, but i don't understand why. He is certainly in form. It is such a different course to Kona so i wouldn't all be surprised for a 'bolter' to come through be it a Sam Long or Mcnamee or Berkigaaard. It sure will be an interesting race though.
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Post by prince on Feb 21, 2022 6:42:48 GMT 8
There are 18 spots to kona at st George. most of the guys already have kona spots. I think brownlee is the only one who hasn’t cam will get a kona spot at st George if he just finishes I think that there are 8 - not 18 - spots on offer. But you are right: at lest half the pro field are already KQed or are AQ. Anything in the top 20 would very likely see Cam qualify comfortably. Cam is very strong at the moment - he’s done two blocks of back to back 100km run weeks in the last two and a half months already; if he does another month of that sort of training after his current pro tour racing block he’ll be a beast in St George. If you were looking at betting odds, you’d put Frodo, the Norwegians and probably Lange on the top line of betting, but Cam would sit comfortably on the next line alongside Sanders, Skipper and co. Definite top 5 prospect. fair call. I dint know there were that many spots. It seems the whole thing is very confusing. I wonder if the spots on offer for Kona for age groupers will also be significantly reduced this year, but that's another thread. I would think Jan isn't a definite starter for St George as he might throw all his cards on the table for his last race at Kona, but he does love to race, so who knows. There is 'big money' on Skipper, but i don't understand why. He is certainly in form. It is such a different course to Kona so i wouldn't all be surprised for a 'bolter' to come through be it a Sam Long or Mcnamee or Berkigaaard. It sure will be an interesting race though.
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Post by Peter on Feb 21, 2022 11:08:01 GMT 8
Males Currently qualified for kona October race 2022 from trirating Attachments:
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