Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 9:03:07 GMT 8
After a few seasons of helping out with kids under age of ten, find the same issue every season every sport. parents don't help out. Then the same small number of parents coach coordinate every sport.
We find the parents who do nothing, rarely even help with set up getting things organized. At the worst there is one parent who then demands we change things for her child and complains if things are a few minutes late, or we are a bit confused finding the field.
A friend of mine who is a woman, raised to me the other day that sports are seen as a guy thing and it needs ti change. I agreed in principle, but said in sports like bike riding (what we were doing ) running, tri not so much.
I did ask the other day why is it that in helping out with junior sports the people doing it are in huge numbers dads and not mums. I did cricket last night, I'm not a cricketer but I gave up my time with ten other dads not a mum to be seen.
Soccer last season, all the dads. We men are not the barrier, I waited till the last day hoping some one else would step up, they rarely do and are almost always the same dads who step up for every sport.
|
|
|
Post by Ironnerd on Oct 30, 2021 10:48:36 GMT 8
In my n=1 experience Mum's do most of the volunteering in traditional female sports - netball and softball are my experience. In traditional male sports Dad's do most of the volunteering, soccer is my experience. In games where both sex's play like hockey I think that the spread of men and women is about even.
I 100% agree with your comment that there is usually a small core of volunteers who do all the work.
I spent a lot of time as a teeball and soccer ref. I really enjoyed it when my kids were young. I stopped being a soccer ref once my son got a little older. As the kids get older the coaches and parents become too focused on winning and not on enjoying the game.
I have worked FIFO for most of my life. This meant that I was able to do a lot of volunteering at my children's school. Helping out with reading, kindy, library, etc. Most of the time I was the only male. My kids really liked having Dad volunteer at school.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 11:09:41 GMT 8
In my n=1 experience Mum's do most of the volunteering in traditional female sports - netball and softball are my experience. In traditional male sports Dad's do most of the volunteering, soccer is my experience. In games where both sex's play like hockey I think that the spread of men and women is about even. I 100% agree with your comment that there is usually a small core of volunteers who do all the work. I spent a lot of time as a teeball and soccer ref. I really enjoyed it when my kids were young. I stopped being a soccer ref once my son got a little older. As the kids get older the coaches and parents become too focused on winning and not on enjoying the game. I have worked FIFO for most of my life. This meant that I was able to do a lot of volunteering at my children's school. Helping out with reading, kindy, library, etc. Most of the time I was the only male. My kids really liked having Dad volunteer at school. Interesting, we are doing cricket and little A's, soccer in winter. As I have boys who did not express interest in netball or softball I have not seen the demographic of the volunteers. But if they wanted to play those sports I would have no issue volunteering. Have noticed that Dads are a bit in the minority with school helping, though I make the time out of my work schedule to help at carnivals, hikes etc. In our bike club we have a no volunteer no ride. Parents should be made to contribute or at least waive fees for those that are doing the helping.
|
|
|
Post by DropBear on Oct 30, 2021 11:21:07 GMT 8
After a few seasons of helping out with kids under age of ten, find the same issue every season every sport. parents don't help out. Then the same small number of parents coach coordinate every sport. We find the parents who do nothing, rarely even help with set up getting things organized. At the worst there is one parent who then demands we change things for her child and complains if things are a few minutes late, or we are a bit confused finding the field. A friend of mine who is a woman, raised to me the other day that sports are seen as a guy thing and it needs ti change. I agreed in principle, but said in sports like bike riding (what we were doing ) running, tri not so much. I did ask the other day why is it that in helping out with junior sports the people doing it are in huge numbers dads and not mums. I did cricket last night, I'm not a cricketer but I gave up my time with ten other dads not a mum to be seen. Soccer last season, all the dads. We men are not the barrier, I waited till the last day hoping some one else would step up, they rarely do and are almost always the same dads who step up for every sport. In the team I coached, I found it was generally the Mums who would regularly show up and stepped up when needed and the Dads were occasional spectators on game day. (except for one Doctor dad who came whenever he could and became our team doctor ). But thats probably because most of the Dads were tradies and worked. Perfect example was that I'd been coaching the team for 2 years before I found out that one of the kids step-dad was my senior manager. He'd never been to a practice or a game in those first 2 years. Found that wonderful piece of information out when I got called into a disciplinary hearing at work and he tried to sack me for comments I'd made about him to my wife that he took offence to. Failing to sack me, he then proceeded to make life difficult by insisting that I couldn't leave the office till a certain time....knowing that I was supposed to be coaching the team (and his kid) at that time. Fortunately, the entire group of Mums stepped up and handled the team warmups for me to take over as soon as I could get there (about 15 minutes after start time). This went on for about 6 weeks. When the boss showed up for the first game of that season he was told in no uncertain terms by the other parents that he wasn't welcome on the sideline and to shove off. Thats how you deal with trouble makers.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 11:28:25 GMT 8
Volunteering and junior sports is a weird world, gender imbalances, people playing work politics. I didn't know that people saw sport as female or male, I thought they were sports.
|
|
|
Post by Peter on Oct 30, 2021 11:50:55 GMT 8
I know coaches In our sport that have never volunteered but are happy to make money out of the sport.
Not adults or kids.
If you do a sport or your kids do, volunteer.
Be at the sport, binning fundraising for the sport, or anything linked.
If you don’t volunteer, you are a selfish kunt.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 12:05:40 GMT 8
I know coaches In our sport that have never volunteered but are happy to make money out of the sport. Not adults or kids. If you do a sport or your kids do, volunteer. Be at the sport, binning fundraising for the sport, or anything linked. If you don’t volunteer, you are a selfish kunt. 90 % of them are. One parent stood around did nothing, while we lugged kit around, ran some drills, one morning we were 5 minutes behind in schedule and she complained stating that she expected more from the club and it wasn't good enough. As we moved up from training to match did not help us wrangle kids or move the kit.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 12:32:22 GMT 8
www.womeninsport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Good-Sports.pdfHowever, whilst women make up the majority of volunteers across all volunteering activities in society, they are less likely to volunteer in sport than men. Data from 2015 indicate that men are more than twice as likely to volunteer in sport (30%) than women (14%)5
|
|
|
Post by kenkong on Oct 30, 2021 13:57:13 GMT 8
After a few seasons of helping out with kids under age of ten, find the same issue every season every sport. parents don't help out. Then the same small number of parents coach coordinate every sport. We find the parents who do nothing, rarely even help with set up getting things organized. At the worst there is one parent who then demands we change things for her child and complains if things are a few minutes late, or we are a bit confused finding the field. A friend of mine who is a woman, raised to me the other day that sports are seen as a guy thing and it needs ti change. I agreed in principle, but said in sports like bike riding (what we were doing ) running, tri not so much. I did ask the other day why is it that in helping out with junior sports the people doing it are in huge numbers dads and not mums. I did cricket last night, I'm not a cricketer but I gave up my time with ten other dads not a mum to be seen. Soccer last season, all the dads. We men are not the barrier, I waited till the last day hoping some one else would step up, they rarely do and are almost always the same dads who step up for every sport. In the team I coached, I found it was generally the Mums who would regularly show up and stepped up when needed and the Dads were occasional spectators on game day. (except for one Doctor dad who came whenever he could and became our team doctor ). But thats probably because most of the Dads were tradies and worked. Perfect example was that I'd been coaching the team for 2 years before I found out that one of the kids step-dad was my senior manager. He'd never been to a practice or a game in those first 2 years. Found that wonderful piece of information out when I got called into a disciplinary hearing at work and he tried to sack me for comments I'd made about him to my wife that he took offence to. Failing to sack me, he then proceeded to make life difficult by insisting that I couldn't leave the office till a certain time....knowing that I was supposed to be coaching the team (and his kid) at that time. Fortunately, the entire group of Mums stepped up and handled the team warmups for me to take over as soon as I could get there (about 15 minutes after start time). This went on for about 6 weeks. When the boss showed up for the first game of that season he was told in no uncertain terms by the other parents that he wasn't welcome on the sideline and to shove off. Thats how you deal with trouble makers. This happened..
|
|
|
Post by DropBear on Oct 30, 2021 14:43:22 GMT 8
I'm assuming thats a question. Yes it happened and I went through 7 months of sheer hell working for that company and the total bullsh!t they tried on before I could find another position and get away from it all. It wasn't just me, there were several others who also had similar experiences. If management had an issue with you, their standard approach was to make life as difficult as possible by whatever means. And frankly, there is no way that what happened to me and other staff members in that company would be allowed to happen these days. Coaching that soccer team was the absolute highlight of that particular year. In our club, we were the 4th team in the age group and basically got all the leftover kids the other teams didn't want. Started the season with just enough players to take the field with no reserves. Early on we borrowed players from other teams where we could to make numbers or even have the luxury of a reserve or 2. Oddly enough as the season progressed 3 or 4 of those players when given the option, chose the play with us than their own teams. It was a great team backed by a supportive group of parents (the Mums in particular) who started the season as a bunch of kids thrown together and ended up playing as a team that had been together for years. There's some great stories from that year that I'll always remember. Now many years on, I generally choose the reflect on a great year of coaching rather than a sh!t year professionally.
|
|
|
Post by Peter on Oct 30, 2021 14:46:31 GMT 8
You work in a sh!t company if you have a senior manager that you report into that would do something like this.
I couldn’t imagine my team leader, senior manager and general manager doing something like this to me or anyone.
And I could even say to my manager he is sh!t and should come and support his own kid at a sport.
If you are still there, you should leave. Work places and people aren’t,like that anymore or ever really been
|
|
|
Post by DropBear on Oct 30, 2021 14:54:31 GMT 8
If you are still there, you should leave. Work places and people aren’t,like that anymore or ever really been I left many years ago with absolutely no regrets.
|
|
|
Post by Ironnerd on Oct 30, 2021 15:22:50 GMT 8
www.womeninsport.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Good-Sports.pdfHowever, whilst women make up the majority of volunteers across all volunteering activities in society, they are less likely to volunteer in sport than men. Data from 2015 indicate that men are more than twice as likely to volunteer in sport (30%) than women (14%)5 This may also be impacted by the rates that boys and girls play sport. In my experience many girls stop playing competitive sport in their early teens, where as many boys will continue playing sports in their teens. While Mums might be comfortable coaching a netball team they may not be comfortable coaching an AFL team of teenage boys. This goes both ways. I don't think that I ever saw a Dad umpire a netball game. However I did see a few Mum's umpiring soccer games.
|
|
|
Post by DropBear on Oct 30, 2021 15:42:21 GMT 8
I don't think that I ever saw a Dad umpire a netball game. However I did see a few Mum's umpiring soccer games. If my defective memory serves me correct, Pinkboy coached a girls netball team for a number of years and was quite successful too.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 16:01:20 GMT 8
The soccer team I coached this year was mixed, we had three girls. I had cast offs as well. The girls a were awesome players.
First quarter of season we got over powered, last quarter we beat everyone, playing possession, pressing passing football.
In the above link from the UK study, the "women can't do that job" is apparently a barrier to participation. Except no one is saying that at all.
|
|
|
Post by Ironnerd on Oct 31, 2021 8:04:36 GMT 8
|
|
|
Post by flanman on Nov 2, 2021 16:17:49 GMT 8
Its amazing what happens when you get big support from parents. I have found that this can happen when the club committee shows great support. Take my old rugby league club - St Johns Eagles in Sydney (based around Lakemba and Greenacre). I stopped playing with them in 1974 but am still invited back for special events. Prior to covid, they have 20 something junior and senior teams, including four female rugby league teams. The parents are fantastic - coaches, managers, supporters, canteen, cooks etc. They support each other with rarely a problem. Very proud place. You might have seen one of the guys on TV being interviewed during covid. He had eight (yep eight) kids at home doing home schooling. He used to take them out and train footy for a break. Such a fantastic club. FM
|
|