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Post by Peter on Mar 29, 2022 6:33:56 GMT 8
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Post by kenkong on Mar 29, 2022 8:31:41 GMT 8
Could be worse, we could have this guy leading us into a world war because Putin wants to invade Russia....
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Post by DropBear on Mar 29, 2022 8:34:41 GMT 8
I reckon it'll be a budget that will promise the world but in real terms deliver 5/8s of diddly squat.
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Post by DropBear on Mar 29, 2022 8:38:32 GMT 8
Could be worse, we could have this guy leading us into a world war because Putin wants to invade Russia.... I don't think he'll lead us into WW3 if Putin invades Russia. Putin won't invade Russia. He already owns it. and secondly I think you'll find Putin is doing all the leading towards war and everybody else is responding. Lot of similarities to the late 1930's
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Post by kenkong on Mar 29, 2022 8:55:11 GMT 8
Could be worse, we could have this guy leading us into a world war because Putin wants to invade Russia.... I don't think he'll lead us into WW3 if Putin invades Russia. Putin won't invade Russia. He already owns it. Try explaining that to Biden....
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Post by Peter on Mar 29, 2022 9:10:16 GMT 8
I reckon it'll be a budget that will promise the world but in real terms deliver 5/8s of diddly squat. Given I was reading Scomo has promised 5 pay rises and not delivered on one of them.
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Post by prince on Mar 29, 2022 9:17:42 GMT 8
I am voting for Albo as he has promised to Increase Wages, Fix the climate problem without increasing energy costs, tackle China, and fix the aged care sector.....cant wait!
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Post by Peter on Mar 29, 2022 11:46:21 GMT 8
I am voting albo because I can’t stand the lying from Scomo. And given he pretends to be a Christian, when clearly he isn’t, is just sad for those that do believe
If they dumped him before the election, I would probably vote liberal.
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 29, 2022 12:33:48 GMT 8
Could be worse, we could have this guy leading us into a world war because Putin wants to invade Russia.... There is already a thread about Ukraine Suffice to say though, if current times are reminiscent of the 1930s as DropBear suggests, Joe Biden is certainly the contemporary Neville Chamberlain
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Post by kenkong on Mar 29, 2022 12:54:46 GMT 8
I don't think anyone actually watched the video.. Biden actually talks about Putin invading Russia... Anyways....
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 29, 2022 13:08:00 GMT 8
I don't think anyone actually watched the video.. Biden actually talks about Putin invading Russia... Anyways.... I think most would agree that Biden is probably unable to count his own legs at this point
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Post by Peter on Mar 29, 2022 19:32:43 GMT 8
I am surprised the VP has been silent.
Is she still around?
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Post by DropBear on Mar 30, 2022 5:15:46 GMT 8
I am surprised the VP has been silent. Is she still around? I'm not. Doing and saying nothing is probably the smartest thing she can do right now if she's looking forward to the next Presidential election in a couple of years. Particularly if you consider that by then she may well be the President. Now, if only more politicians would shut up and do their jobs instead of the producing an endless procession of meaningless comments made at even more meaningless press conferences, the world would be a much better place.
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Post by roxii on Mar 30, 2022 5:45:08 GMT 8
So from the budget is "temporary" and "targeted" shorthand for "till we get past the election" and "pork barreling"
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Post by DropBear on Mar 30, 2022 6:27:01 GMT 8
So from the budget is "temporary" and "targeted" shorthand for "till we get past the election" and "pork barreling" Correct. As was predicted. And it'll be till Labor wins the election and rolls back everything
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Post by prince on Mar 30, 2022 7:22:19 GMT 8
So from the budget is "temporary" and "targeted" shorthand for "till we get past the election" and "pork barreling" Correct. As was predicted. And it'll be till Labor wins the election and rolls back everything but what happens then? Fuel goes back up? and i don't get my tax break?
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Post by DropBear on Mar 30, 2022 10:28:51 GMT 8
Correct. As was predicted. And it'll be till Labor wins the election and rolls back everything but what happens then? Fuel goes back up? and i don't get my tax break? Yes Fuel will go back up when the excise gets reimposed in 6 months. As for tax cuts, theres absolutely no guarantee that labor will keep them.
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Post by prince on Mar 30, 2022 11:37:07 GMT 8
but what happens then? Fuel goes back up? and i don't get my tax break? Yes Fuel will go back up when the excise gets reimposed in 6 months. As for tax cuts, theres absolutely no guarantee that labor will keep them. But I heard Albo on the radio this morning saying that he has plans to increase wages and reduce the cost of living. Guess we will have to wait for the campaign to start to see any details. The problem will be he probably won't detail much until the last few weeks before we have to vote.
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Post by Peter on Mar 30, 2022 11:57:00 GMT 8
Yes Fuel will go back up when the excise gets reimposed in 6 months. As for tax cuts, theres absolutely no guarantee that labor will keep them. But I heard Albo on the radio this morning saying that he has plans to increase wages and reduce the cost of living. Guess we will have to wait for the campaign to start to see any details. The problem will be he probably won't detail much until the last few weeks before we have to vote. How can any of them increase wages? Call my CEO and say, give everyone 5% increase or I'll send my boys around? FFS Increase wages is a sh!t promise by either party
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Post by DropBear on Mar 30, 2022 12:09:18 GMT 8
How can any of them increase wages? If history is any indication, the unions will stage continuous and widespread strike action till they get pay rises. Ever wonder why Australia no longer produces steel. Its because the unions forced up the wages of the steel workers till even the cleaners were on $130+K (and that was in the 90's)
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 30, 2022 13:08:52 GMT 8
How can any of them increase wages? Call my CEO and say, give everyone 5% increase or I'll send my boys around? That's how Labor used to do it
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Post by Peter on Mar 30, 2022 13:20:20 GMT 8
How can any of them increase wages? If history is any indication, the unions will stage continuous and widespread strike action till they get pay rises. Ever wonder why Australia no longer produces steel. Its because the unions forced up the wages of the steel workers till even the cleaners were on $130+K (and that was in the 90's) That’s my point. Neither side can guarantee pay rises. Its a Bullsh!t promise by both sides.
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Post by DropBear on Mar 30, 2022 14:49:11 GMT 8
If history is any indication, the unions will stage continuous and widespread strike action till they get pay rises. Ever wonder why Australia no longer produces steel. Its because the unions forced up the wages of the steel workers till even the cleaners were on $130+K (and that was in the 90's) That’s my point. Neither side can guarantee pay rises. Its a Bullsh!t promise by both sides. If Labor says wages will rise then the unions will make it happen because they know they'll have a reasonable amount of support from those in office who are only there thanks to their union mates
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Post by prince on Mar 30, 2022 14:59:51 GMT 8
That’s my point. Neither side can guarantee pay rises. Its a Bullsh!t promise by both sides. If Labor says wages will rise then the unions will make it happen because they know they'll have a reasonable amount of support from those in office who are only there thanks to their union mates the Liberal party have never said they could increase wages, its only Albo making a song and dance out it. They can advocate for a rise in the minimum wage but all awards are between employers, sometimes Unions and Fair Work Australia.
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Post by Peter on Mar 30, 2022 16:26:38 GMT 8
If Labor says wages will rise then the unions will make it happen because they know they'll have a reasonable amount of support from those in office who are only there thanks to their union mates the Liberal party have never said they could increase wages, its only Albo making a song and dance out it. They can advocate for a rise in the minimum wage but all awards are between employers, sometimes Unions and Fair Work Australia. No Scomo had also said it.
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Post by chris on Mar 30, 2022 17:01:25 GMT 8
Having now had the chance to actually read and watch a video from the ntaa this morning , this is a nothing budget,
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 30, 2022 18:18:05 GMT 8
Strong economy-> low unemployment -> demand for labour -> wages growth
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Post by prince on Apr 1, 2022 10:02:42 GMT 8
not sure Albo's budget reply is going to secure him a win
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Post by prince on Apr 1, 2022 10:27:22 GMT 8
not sure Albo's budget reply is going to secure him a win as i am thinking people want reasonably immediate relief from the cost of living. Albo wants to 'increase wages' however the only wages they can increase are public servants. They can certainly advocate for stronger wage growth in other sectors, mainly Union backed industries, but that's barely a quarter of the population. He does promise to increase manufacturing in the country ( a la Trump Style perhaps), which is a great thing, as well as increase in jobs in renewable energy, but no details of how this would happen. Remember, the reason we don't have more industry in Australia is partly the cost of labor which the Unions won't relent on. Meanwhile, the cash cow of this countries revenue is from mining and the resources sector which i am not sure Labor understands this still needs protecting. It has now made me think more than this is an election based on personalities.
Until the election is called proper, i don't think we will get much more details from Labor, but i am interested to see it.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 1, 2022 11:28:30 GMT 8
Until the election is called proper, i don't think we will get much more details from Labor, but i am interested to see it. Good luck on that. Considering Labors policies in the last election were a focus on fixing schools and hospitals, standing up for workers, relieving pressure on family budgets, ensuring a strong economy and investing in cleaner energy it looks like little has changed except the leader in the past 3 years. This is effectively an "unlosable" election for Labor...again and with the coalition seemingly in self destruct mode...again, all Albo has to do to win this election is to say nothing stupid and do nothing stupid. Personally, I think he'll struggle to achieve either of those. Shortens 2019 election speech
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