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Post by prince on Apr 1, 2022 13:58:18 GMT 8
Until the election is called proper, i don't think we will get much more details from Labor, but i am interested to see it. Good luck on that. Considering Labors policies in the last election were a focus on fixing schools and hospitals, standing up for workers, relieving pressure on family budgets, ensuring a strong economy and investing in cleaner energy it looks like little has changed except the leader in the past 3 years. This is effectively an "unlosable" election for Labor...again and with the coalition seemingly in self destruct mode...again, all Albo has to do to win this election is to say nothing stupid and do nothing stupid. Personally, I think he'll struggle to achieve either of those. Shortens 2019 election speechAlbo was repeatedly questioned today if Labor will be introducing any new taxes and he completely avoided the question. If i was Scomo, that will be one for the debate.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 1, 2022 15:46:17 GMT 8
Albo was repeatedly questioned today if Labor will be introducing any new taxes and he completely avoided the question. If i was Scomo, that will be one for the debate. I'd suggest that having a debate is one of the stupid things that Albo should avoid. Very little to gain but a lot a lose if it goes wrong.
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Post by DaveT on Apr 1, 2022 19:23:36 GMT 8
The two ends of the age demographic that need to be addressed are: More affordable childcare. More accountability in the Aged Care sector. Scomo has absolutely #$cked up both of them. As long as Labour can win some belief from the electorate that they will do a better job than Scomo in those areas, they will win. PS. Amazed me watching an interview with an 80yo the other night post The Budget release. She spent 3 minutes bemoaning the fact ," There's nothing in this for me.This is a terrible Budget". The interviewer asked," Who will you be voting for?" Her reply," Oh, the Liberals. I've always voted Liberal. I'll never vote for anyone else." Some people always think, " What's in it for me?" Others have a broader outlook for what is going to benefit more than just their own interests. By the way I thought Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells nailed it. 🤘👌
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Post by DropBear on Apr 2, 2022 14:32:09 GMT 8
The two ends of the age demographic that need to be addressed are: More affordable childcare. More accountability in the Aged Care sector. Having been closely involved in the Childcare industry for the past 9 years, let me suggest that he's dreaming. Albo has a contradiction in policies here. 1. Increase Wages and 2. Decrease childcare costs. From memory, Average pay for a child care worker was listed recently as $21/h. That's for staff in centres. In some areas of the child care industry its actually significantly less. Lets take Family Daycare for example. Most work 10-12 hour days, 5 days a week. No formal Lunch break. No paid sick leave. No paid Annual Leave and superannuation payments come out of what they earn. On top of that 50-60 hour week most average another 4-5 hours unpaid per week to do training, paperwork, accounting, setup, packup etc. Everything used/broken (toys, petrol for the car, food, repairs etc) also has to be paid for out of what they earn. As payment is on a per child basis that means that some days they might get paid (before expenses) as little as $7/hr if they only have 1 child booked for that day. And believe me when I say its a sh!tty job (literally and figuratively) in more ways than one. Kids are becoming more and more unmanageable, and the red tape is becoming more and more onerous. Its definately one of those jobs you do for love not money. Every single one of those people need and deserve a payrise. But unless Albo if going to fund the difference by significantly increasing the subsidy already being paid to parents, its just not going to happen or if it does happen it means that parents will have to fork out the difference. Personally I struggle to see how he's going to manage it without taking funding away from other needy areas. (e.g. Aged care, Education, Health, Defense, infrastructure work etc) Seems like its going to be one of those policies that sounds good at election time but will be put in the too hard basket when it come times to actually honour that promise.
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Post by comfortablynumb on Apr 3, 2022 4:34:47 GMT 8
The two ends of the age demographic that need to be addressed are: More affordable childcare. More accountability in the Aged Care sector. Having been closely involved in the Childcare industry for the past 9 years, let me suggest that he's dreaming. Albo has a contradiction in policies here. 1. Increase Wages and 2. Decrease childcare costs. From memory, Average pay for a child care worker was listed recently as $21/h. That's for staff in centres. In some areas of the child care industry its actually significantly less. Lets take Family Daycare for example. Most work 10-12 hour days, 5 days a week. No formal Lunch break. No paid sick leave. No paid Annual Leave and superannuation payments come out of what they earn. On top of that 50-60 hour week most average another 4-5 hours unpaid per week to do training, paperwork, accounting, setup, packup etc. Everything used/broken (toys, petrol for the car, food, repairs etc) also has to be paid for out of what they earn. As payment is on a per child basis that means that some days they might get paid (before expenses) as little as $7/hr if they only have 1 child booked for that day. And believe me when I say its a sh!tty job (literally and figuratively) in more ways than one. Kids are becoming more and more unmanageable, and the red tape is becoming more and more onerous. Its definately one of those jobs you do for love not money. Every single one of those people need and deserve a payrise. But unless Albo if going to fund the difference by significantly increasing the subsidy already being paid to parents, its just not going to happen or if it does happen it means that parents will have to fork out the difference. Personally I struggle to see how he's going to manage it without taking funding away from other needy areas. (e.g. Aged care, Education, Health, Defense, infrastructure work etc) Seems like its going to be one of those policies that sounds good at election time but will be put in the too hard basket when it come times to actually honour that promise. Exactly. It's a virtue signaling attempt to win votes. I doubt he has any idea how to actually pull it off. I agree, working in both childcare and aged care would be tough jobs and both are well under payed. After seeing my wife's aunt in the aged care system in Sydney, it only reinforces my resolve to stay as fit/strong/agile/dexterous as long as possible to stay out of those places. I'm pretty sure I have Gerascophobia actually - thanks to comments often made to me as a child about how one day I too would be old & fooked.
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Post by prince on Apr 4, 2022 6:46:42 GMT 8
The two ends of the age demographic that need to be addressed are: More affordable childcare. More accountability in the Aged Care sector. Scomo has absolutely #$cked up both of them. As long as Labour can win some belief from the electorate that they will do a better job than Scomo in those areas, they will win. PS. Amazed me watching an interview with an 80yo the other night post The Budget release. She spent 3 minutes bemoaning the fact ," There's nothing in this for me.This is a terrible Budget". The interviewer asked," Who will you be voting for?" Her reply," Oh, the Liberals. I've always voted Liberal. I'll never vote for anyone else." Some people always think, " What's in it for me?" Others have a broader outlook for what is going to benefit more than just their own interests. By the way I thought Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells nailed it. 🤘👌 I think right now, the average punter couldn't give two sh*ts about the aged care sector. The election will be won on cost of living right now as groceries are increasing, as is petrol, as is interest rates. If people fall for Albo's promise to increase wages and deliver policies including an increase in renewables and defence, without any new taxes, then he deserves to be the next PM. As for Concetta-Wells, she is just a petulant child crying because she got booted from Pre-Selection.
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Post by Peter on Apr 4, 2022 12:46:05 GMT 8
Albo was repeatedly questioned today if Labor will be introducing any new taxes and he completely avoided the question. If i was Scomo, that will be one for the debate. I'd suggest that having a debate is one of the stupid things that Albo should avoid. Very little to gain but a lot a lose if it goes wrong. 100% agree. Scomo will just lie and take over albo and albo would lose a debate. he just needs to shut up and offer bland ideas to win. he doesn’t need a hailmary to win. Scomo does. The mud of labor in bed with China have failed then they have gone hard on internal sexist women on women in labor. See to have failed which is funny given the fed liberals have been arseholes to women forever. I wonder what federal lib will try next.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 4, 2022 13:10:39 GMT 8
Heard the Libs just ordered some of these
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Post by kenkong on Apr 4, 2022 17:24:20 GMT 8
I'm not sure which bit I like more, Labor supporters being upset at Scomo for spending like a Labor loon during covid, steering the economy to record low unemployment, pretending like Labor politicians don't lie, pretending the progressive woke left aren't bullies to their own females..
or the fact that every state Labor Premier totally f*cked their states during covid... Looking specifically at you Dictator Dan, that stupid f*cktard in QLD that couldn't run a fish and chip shop and that clown in WA...
But yeah Scomo bad because he went to Hawaii...
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Post by DropBear on Apr 5, 2022 7:59:57 GMT 8
But yeah Scomo bad because he went to Hawaii... I actually didn't have a problem with him in Hawaii. At least while he was there he wasn't walking around the fire zones, pretending to be interested in what was going on and keeping RFS/Fire Brigades/SES etc personnel from doing the job that they were actually there for....to fight the fires.
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Post by prince on Apr 5, 2022 9:24:22 GMT 8
I'm not sure which bit I like more, Labor supporters being upset at Scomo for spending like a Labor loon during covid, steering the economy to record low unemployment, pretending like Labor politicians don't lie, pretending the progressive woke left aren't bullies to their own females.. or the fact that every state Labor Premier totally f*cked their states during covid... Looking specifically at you Dictator Dan, that stupid f*cktard in QLD that couldn't run a fish and chip shop and that clown in WA... But yeah Scomo bad because he went to Hawaii... Albo Said yesterday he would run the country like Palachez runs Qld. God help us....
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Post by kenkong on Apr 5, 2022 9:46:59 GMT 8
But yeah Scomo bad because he went to Hawaii... I actually didn't have a problem with him in Hawaii. At least while he was there he wasn't walking around the fire zones, pretending to be interested in what was going on and keeping RFS/Fire Brigades/SES etc personnel from doing the job that they were actually there for....to fight the fires. And if he didn't turn up he would be branded as not caring and heartless... The best bit Im now loling at is how he is being blamed for the floods...people are seriously saying the floods are due to his inactivity towards reducing emissions. FFS Australia could have been running on 100% solar for the last 200 years and it would have made absolutely zero impact...Sure i WANT 100% renewables, but lets do it for clean air, to cut the reliance on the middle east/russia etc, but lets not kid ourselves that anything we do will make any difference whatsoever... This is what I hate about politics. People are largely dumb and emotive creatures who chose stupid things to be upset at politicians about, all the while turning a ignorant blind eye to the real issues like corruption, lies, pork barreling and buying votes in marginal seats.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 5, 2022 10:44:51 GMT 8
I actually didn't have a problem with him in Hawaii. At least while he was there he wasn't walking around the fire zones, pretending to be interested in what was going on and keeping RFS/Fire Brigades/SES etc personnel from doing the job that they were actually there for....to fight the fires. And if he didn't turn up he would be branded as not caring and heartless... The best bit Im now loling at is how he is being blamed for the floods...people are seriously saying the floods are due to his inactivity towards reducing emissions. FFS Australia could have been running on 100% solar for the last 200 years and it would have made absolutely zero impact...Sure i WANT 100% renewables, but lets do it for clean air, to cut the reliance on the middle east/russia etc, but lets not kid ourselves that anything we do will make any difference whatsoever... This is what I hate about politics. People are largely dumb and emotive creatures who chose stupid things to be upset at politicians about, all the while turning a ignorant blind eye to the real issues like corruption, lies, pork barreling and buying votes in marginal seats. I think you're giving the general population far too much credit. Take away the modern 24x7 media and the average person wouldn't give a rats arse about who Scomo is let alone what he has or hasn't done.
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Post by Peter on Apr 5, 2022 12:19:38 GMT 8
.. But yeah Scomo bad because he went to Hawaii... I also don’t have an issue with this. i have an issue with how many lies he’s told. they all lie, but for a guy proclaiming to be a Christian. He sure lies a lot.
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Post by kenkong on Apr 5, 2022 17:58:16 GMT 8
.. But yeah Scomo bad because he went to Hawaii... I also don’t have an issue with this. i have an issue with how many lies he’s told. they all lie, but for a guy proclaiming to be a Christian. He sure lies a lot. I don't know that I like him or not. I don't know what lies he has told but if he has then it's a instant black mark from me, I can't stand dishonesty. I have the same problem with Albo, don't really know enough about him but from what I have read he came from very humble beginnings which is admirable. Its going to be a tough decision. If Albo can just be normal and not do any kooky sh!t he will be a great chance.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 6, 2022 11:12:17 GMT 8
I also don’t have an issue with this. i have an issue with how many lies he’s told. they all lie, but for a guy proclaiming to be a Christian. He sure lies a lot. I wouldn't consider myself a particularly observant Christian, but I'm not aware of a specific commandment/restriction re: lying (actualorperceived) There's a commandment about bearing false witness against others, but if both sides followed that Labor would have nothing left to campaign on Other than socialism of course, which breaks three more commandments
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Post by DropBear on Apr 6, 2022 11:25:12 GMT 8
I wouldn't consider myself a particularly observant Christian, but I'm not aware of a specific commandment/restriction re: lying (actualorperceived) Here ya go.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 6, 2022 18:07:08 GMT 8
I wouldn't consider myself a particularly observant Christian, but I'm not aware of a specific commandment/restriction re: lying (actualorperceived) Here ya go. Thanks Dropster, I've learned something Is there one about accusing people of wanting to do something that's not actually possible?
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Post by Peter on Apr 6, 2022 18:11:36 GMT 8
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 6, 2022 18:48:17 GMT 8
Well yeah, but it's hardly the first time PvO has made a claim without evidence, is it?
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Post by BogFrog on Apr 7, 2022 4:04:30 GMT 8
The interview with Towke on The Project last night was pretty damning...
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Post by prince on Apr 7, 2022 7:27:25 GMT 8
I also don’t have an issue with this. i have an issue with how many lies he’s told. they all lie, but for a guy proclaiming to be a Christian. He sure lies a lot. I don't know that I like him or not. I don't know what lies he has told but if he has then it's a instant black mark from me, I can't stand dishonesty. I have the same problem with Albo, don't really know enough about him but from what I have read he came from very humble beginnings which is admirable. Its going to be a tough decision. If Albo can just be normal and not do any kooky sh!t he will be a great chance. one of the most disgusting things that Albo did recently was totally dismiss the fact he has bullying against women in his own cabinet when only a few months ago, he is tearing Scomo over the coals for not investigating similar claims in the Liberal Party. This makes me very apprehensive about him, thinking he is all fluff.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 7, 2022 7:48:44 GMT 8
one of the most disgusting things that Albo did recently was totally dismiss the fact he has bullying against women in his own cabinet when only a few months ago, he is tearing Scomo over the coals for not investigating similar claims in the Liberal Party. This makes me very apprehensive about him, thinking he is all fluff. Was it actually proven that he did or was it just a bunch of people saying he was bullying women? It seems to me that we live in an era where its very simple to destroy somebodies reputation by simply saying "He did it". The self-righteous, click-bait media will then take up the call to arms and complete the job for you.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 7, 2022 8:11:50 GMT 8
Looks like both leaders have had hecklers to deal with in the past 24 hrs
One of them at least allowed the question to be asked...
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Post by Peter on Apr 7, 2022 8:21:31 GMT 8
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Post by prince on Apr 7, 2022 8:41:12 GMT 8
one of the most disgusting things that Albo did recently was totally dismiss the fact he has bullying against women in his own cabinet when only a few months ago, he is tearing Scomo over the coals for not investigating similar claims in the Liberal Party. This makes me very apprehensive about him, thinking he is all fluff. Was it actually proven that he did or was it just a bunch of people saying he was bullying women? It seems to me that we live in an era where its very simple to destroy somebodies reputation by simply saying "He did it". The self-righteous, click-bait media will then take up the call to arms and complete the job for you. It was the bullying by Kennealy and Wong over Kitchling who passed away. Proven, well the husband certainly said it occurred as did others. The point was that Albo never even investigated it. Complete double standards.
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Post by prince on Apr 7, 2022 8:43:00 GMT 8
The point is that Scomo owned up and investigated the claims. Albo has not. The mean girls claim should have been investigated but Albo refused to do so.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 7, 2022 9:00:12 GMT 8
Was it actually proven that he did or was it just a bunch of people saying he was bullying women? It seems to me that we live in an era where its very simple to destroy somebodies reputation by simply saying "He did it". The self-righteous, click-bait media will then take up the call to arms and complete the job for you. It was the bullying by Kennealy and Wong over Kitchling who passed away. Proven, well the husband certainly said it occurred as did others. The point was that Albo never even investigated it. Complete double standards. I doubt an investigation would make any difference. If there was real evidence (i.e. something more than hearsay) then it would have been produced by now. From what I've heard it sounds like a bunch of people tossing their toys out of the cot because they're not getting their own way. And even if an investigation decided it wasn't a proven fact, Albos reputation would still have copped a flogging. (which is probably the point of the whole exercise - discredit albo and get somebody else in the job that they like). So if the end result is a foregone conclusion, whats the point of an investigation?
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Post by Peter on Apr 7, 2022 9:25:07 GMT 8
agree
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Post by DropBear on Apr 7, 2022 9:31:45 GMT 8
Thats twice this week you've agreed with me. Who are you and what have you done with Peter?
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