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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 22, 2024 11:27:14 GMT 8
hey there full disclosure, i chair eo - the company that's developed the eo SwimBETTER technology that analyses swim stroke and technique and provides data for swimmers and triathletes to make changes that are then measured and can be assessed. i'm wondering if anyone has used this system and has any questions or concerns about it. any input will be gratefully received. cheers jaimie fuller
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Post by Peter on Jan 24, 2024 15:16:12 GMT 8
I enjoy swimming.
I enjoy tech
But $999 s way expensive.
My gym with unlimited swims is $510 a year.
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Post by zed on Jan 25, 2024 9:53:16 GMT 8
hey there full disclosure, i chair eo - the company that's developed the eo SwimBETTER technology that analyses swim stroke and technique and provides data for swimmers and triathletes to make changes that are then measured and can be assessed. i'm wondering if anyone has used this system and has any questions or concerns about it. any input will be gratefully received. cheers jaimie fuller
How does it work? It measures power in the stroke? Are there any other variables that it measures such as stroke rate etc? |
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Post by blobby on Jan 25, 2024 10:30:05 GMT 8
Hi Jamie, thanks for sharing and as a tech person who loves training and racing, this is all interesting, but like Peter the cost is going to be a real challenge. I'm all for spending money on tech, but again its a balance of bang for buck. Swimming is a strong leg for myself and I have eased back on the number of sessions in order to put time into the other disciplines as needed and having dropped from 4 to 2 sessions, I've only dropped around a 1-2mins on an Ironman swim. I'm sure my stroke could always be improved, and it took me a long time to purchase FORM goggles and whilst their product is different (i use it for the speed/stroke count real time), I have not spent $ on the subscription which has some more analysis of head rotation, position etc....
Further performance analysis of my stroke will provide improvement opportunities but is $999 plus subscription worth 1-2min in an Ironman over 10-11 hours, I don't think so. If it was shared device you could use with your partner / family with separate accounts this becomes a better option, however I'm the only one in my house actually swimming (my daughter teaches it but only rarely swims her own laps). For those that need stroke analysis it is likely to help their improvement and lets say it saves 5-10min on an Ironman, again are they going to take it up.
Perhaps there is opportunity to rent before buy, or just rent them for a few months, so working on stroke improvements can be done, without having to invest largish $. If the renter is loving the analysis and wants to buy outright then that could be an opportunity.
Happy to chat with you further if further insights are worth it for you.
Stephen
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Post by zed on Jan 25, 2024 11:23:58 GMT 8
Further performance analysis of my stroke will provide improvement opportunities but is $999 plus subscription worth 1-2min in an Ironman over 10-11 hours, I don't think so. Stephen There are a lot of triathletes that follow the same path. Get into triathlon, they do decent run/bike volume and quickly see results, they try doing decent swim volume, but quickly plateau. They'll spend money on coaches, 1 on 1 video analysis and try swimming even more volume with little in the way of progression so give up and accept they'll always be an average swimmer. But they're giving up a lot of time. I've got a few mates that are top AGers, running sub 1.20 and riding sub 2.20 for a 70.3 but can't get away near the podium because they're swimming 35mins. That's a good 10mins slower than the top swimmers in their AG. That's a crapload! Not sure what this product is like, but there is definitely a gap in the market. There's a ton of people sitting on 1.40+ pace that would kill to be swimming at 1.20 pace, but can't get there no matter how hard they try. Buy yeah $999 is pricey. If it's an effective product, it would be good for a coach or club to purchase. |
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Post by comfortablynumb on Jan 27, 2024 4:38:15 GMT 8
And then there is the issue that most triathlon swims are open water, not in a pool.
The local swim coach was always trying to correct my stroke when he saw me at the UNE pool. I tried for a while to adopt his advice (mostly higher elbow recovery, less body crossover esp. with my left hand). In the end, I just stayed with what I did because watching open water swimmers, esp. in the surf, they are not like pool swimmers.
At my last open water Tri (Airlie Beach sprint), I was last out of about 50 approaching the 1st turn buoy, and 4th out of thw water at the end of the 750m swim.
At almost 60, I figured my stroke works for me.
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Post by prince on Jan 29, 2024 4:33:25 GMT 8
its $700 dollars too expensive. I would pay $300 max.
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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 29, 2024 13:19:13 GMT 8
hey there full disclosure, i chair eo - the company that's developed the eo SwimBETTER technology that analyses swim stroke and technique and provides data for swimmers and triathletes to make changes that are then measured and can be assessed. i'm wondering if anyone has used this system and has any questions or concerns about it. any input will be gratefully received. cheers jaimie fuller
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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 29, 2024 13:35:03 GMT 8
I enjoy swimming. I enjoy tech But $999 s way expensive. My gym with unlimited swims is $510 a year. hey thanks for your input so let me put in some context here. this product is not for everyone, no doubt. it's primarily for competition swimmers as well as triathletes and this is where the context comes in. let's start with comp swimmers who spend >350USD per tech suit which lasts one, maybe two meets. these guys are spending anything up to 1500USD per year on tech suits and we maintain that our system at 1000USD will be more impactful on driving faster times. let's now consider triathletes who spend anything from 600USD to 1700USD on a power meter for the bike (let's not even talk about how much is spent on the bike itself) for a product that delivers nothing like the sophisticated data and insight that the eo SwimBETTER provides. i'm afraid i don't understand the comparison to cost of gym membership and pool access. it's like comparing an apple and leg of lamb
i strongly urge everyone to understand what this product does before writing it off as too expensive. it's the most meaningful insight into stroke technique that you'll ever see and will enable swimmers of every calibre to understand where they are today, set goals for where they want to be in the future through technique correction and monitor objectively the outcome of those changes. it also can be synced with video for frame by frame analysis if so desired.
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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 29, 2024 13:45:17 GMT 8
hey there full disclosure, i chair eo - the company that's developed the eo SwimBETTER technology that analyses swim stroke and technique and provides data for swimmers and triathletes to make changes that are then measured and can be assessed. i'm wondering if anyone has used this system and has any questions or concerns about it. any input will be gratefully received. cheers jaimie fuller
How does it work? It measures power in the stroke? Are there any other variables that it measures such as stroke rate etc? here are some examples:
Swim summary, total average force per hand and stroke rate across 16 laps
Force Field showing application of forces in six different vectors - propulsive, hand drag, up, down, left and right
Hand Path showing three angles of hand in each of three phases - glide/pull/recovery - side on, overhead and front on
There is another which is for Consistency which shows hand path in three views of every stroke for that lap overlaid one on top of the other but i've run out of ability to upload screenshots!
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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 29, 2024 13:52:05 GMT 8
Hi Jamie, thanks for sharing and as a tech person who loves training and racing, this is all interesting, but like Peter the cost is going to be a real challenge. I'm all for spending money on tech, but again its a balance of bang for buck. Swimming is a strong leg for myself and I have eased back on the number of sessions in order to put time into the other disciplines as needed and having dropped from 4 to 2 sessions, I've only dropped around a 1-2mins on an Ironman swim. I'm sure my stroke could always be improved, and it took me a long time to purchase FORM goggles and whilst their product is different (i use it for the speed/stroke count real time), I have not spent $ on the subscription which has some more analysis of head rotation, position etc.... Further performance analysis of my stroke will provide improvement opportunities but is $999 plus subscription worth 1-2min in an Ironman over 10-11 hours, I don't think so. If it was shared device you could use with your partner / family with separate accounts this becomes a better option, however I'm the only one in my house actually swimming (my daughter teaches it but only rarely swims her own laps). For those that need stroke analysis it is likely to help their improvement and lets say it saves 5-10min on an Ironman, again are they going to take it up. Perhaps there is opportunity to rent before buy, or just rent them for a few months, so working on stroke improvements can be done, without having to invest largish $. If the renter is loving the analysis and wants to buy outright then that could be an opportunity. Happy to chat with you further if further insights are worth it for you. Stephen hey stephen thanks very much for your comments, i appreciate them. technique refinement is gonna save way more than 1-2 mins over an Ironman swim i am sure, unless you already have the perfect stroke. regardless, these handsets are configured so they can be shared amongst swimmers; that's part of the reason for the memberships so that individuals' data can be ring-fenced for themselves and only seen by them or by their coaches which can be done either F2F or even remotely. i'm afraid there is no rental option but we are so sure that once you use these you'll get hooked and want to use them always that we offer a 30 day money back guarantee, no questions asked. cheers jaimie
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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 29, 2024 13:54:14 GMT 8
its $700 dollars too expensive. I would pay $300 max. thanks for the comment. i'll post my previous comment to the other person's concern here. it's hard to make value judgment without understanding exactly what the system does.
hey thanks for your input so let me put in some context here. this product is not for everyone, no doubt. it's primarily for competition swimmers as well as triathletes and this is where the context comes in. let's start with comp swimmers who spend >350USD per tech suit which lasts one, maybe two meets. these guys are spending anything up to 1500USD per year on tech suits and we maintain that our system at 1000USD will be more impactful on driving faster times. let's now consider triathletes who spend anything from 600USD to 1700USD on a power meter for the bike (let's not even talk about how much is spent on the bike itself) for a product that delivers nothing like the sophisticated data and insight that the eo SwimBETTER provides. i strongly urge everyone to understand what this product does before writing it off as too expensive. it's the most meaningful insight into stroke technique that you'll ever see and will enable swimmers of every calibre to understand where they are today, set goals for where they want to be in the future through technique correction and monitor objectively the outcome of those changes. it also can be synced with video for frame by frame analysis if so desired. wanna know more? i suggest either our website www.eolab.com/swimbetter or our youtube channel - www.youtube.com/@eosportslabthanks |
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Post by jaimiefuller on Jan 29, 2024 13:56:37 GMT 8
And then there is the issue that most triathlon swims are open water, not in a pool. The local swim coach was always trying to correct my stroke when he saw me at the UNE pool. I tried for a while to adopt his advice (mostly higher elbow recovery, less body crossover esp. with my left hand). In the end, I just stayed with what I did because watching open water swimmers, esp. in the surf, they are not like pool swimmers. At my last open water Tri (Airlie Beach sprint), I was last out of about 50 approaching the 1st turn buoy, and 4th out of thw water at the end of the 750m swim. At almost 60, I figured my stroke works for me. hey
thanks for the comments. i appreciate the significant difference between open water and pool swimming however i'll counter with the fact that even the greatest open water swimmers train voraciously in both endurance and technique in pools. there are some real technical differences between the two but they're not independent and isolated. good luck with the swimming cheers jaimie
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Post by Peter on Jan 30, 2024 7:54:18 GMT 8
Has anyone like dcrainmaker independently reviewed the system?
Maybe someone like swim smooth in Western Australia or Brenton ford?
Not a paid athlete? A coach with no payment
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Post by jaimiefuller on Feb 2, 2024 17:37:28 GMT 8
Has anyone like dcrainmaker independently reviewed the system? Maybe someone like swim smooth in Western Australia or Brenton ford? Not a paid athlete? A coach with no payment brenton ford has reviewed it multiple times and he loves it would love to get dcrainmaker to review it too almost all reviews on our website are from non paid coaches and athletes and when i say non paid, i mean they have purchased the product
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