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Post by Peter on Mar 4, 2022 11:24:41 GMT 8
Gee the Aussie dollar goes a long way in Russia. Attachments:
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Post by FatPom on Mar 4, 2022 15:25:00 GMT 8
Thanks Barry. It's so hard as a parent to look at your kids and think 'are we doing the best for them', it weighs heavy on me. Some analysts are saying he can't afford this war for than a few days more but I have the feeling he's going to send the country right down to bare threads for this cause. I feel for everyone, mostly the Ukrainians. It did play on my mind when he ramped up the threats. Being closer makes it real, compounded by what we all grew up with in the 70's and 80's, the fear of conflict. Think we were all living very happy that our children would never have to worry about a global war or have to talk about nuclear weapons. It's got to be hurting the economy. Of course he is unlikely to care about the impact on the people, but some of his rich buddies have spoken up and China has softened. It's probably going to hit the economy here pretty hard, as well as the EU. The UK has just had to deal with a 54% increase in energy, which is effective from April 1st ( ironically, connected to a warm summer in China in some part and a broken undersea cable in France). Unlike most of the EU, we get very little of our energy from Russia, ours comes from Norway. Now with the EU pushing for an alternative supply, that will put massive pressure and price increases on those other sources, which will mean even further rises for the UK in Oct when the price cap is reviewed again. In our house, we are pretty light energy users, we have no dishwasher and no tumble dryer but we do a lot of washing and shower a lot due to training. Our bill is average £300 per qtr, that will rise to about £470 currently, heaven knows beyond that. Petrol is currently £1.57 p/l and still heading north. We are lucky that we both WFH but the school run and activities after account fr about 100 miles p/w. We are definitely the lucky ones, we can absorb this, many can't. Food is getting quite expensive now. This was all happening before the invasion. I remember watching 'Threads' in the 80s, never thought those dark days of anxiety would return.
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 4, 2022 16:17:04 GMT 8
The best hope at this point is if Putin's military turns on him. And that depends on how hard he is willing to make life for his people
Of course, Russian leadership has a not-so-rich history where it comes to the welfare of their own people. Particularly Ukranians
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 8, 2022 6:47:48 GMT 8
Hollywood has been kind enough to share their collective expertise in foreign relations...
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Post by gregb on Mar 8, 2022 8:11:19 GMT 8
Dunno whether to laugh or cry.
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Post by Peter on Mar 8, 2022 10:25:47 GMT 8
Hollywood has been kind enough to share their collective expertise in foreign relations... View AttachmentHaven’t celebrities learnt that when it comes to politics, the public don’t care. Like all those that said if trump won, they would leave. I don’t believe any left.
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 8, 2022 10:52:13 GMT 8
Hollywood has been kind enough to share their collective expertise in foreign relations... <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> Haven’t celebrities learnt that when it comes to politics, the public don’t care. Like all those that said if trump won, they would leave. I don’t believe any left. We can't give up on them though. They're our last hope Hon are we going to stop Xi from invading Taiwan unless a bunch of celebs get together and sing 'Imagine?'
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Post by DropBear on Mar 8, 2022 12:15:12 GMT 8
Haven’t celebrities learnt that when it comes to politics, the public don’t care. Like all those that said if trump won, they would leave. I don’t believe any left. We can't give up on them though. They're our last hope Hon are we going to stop Xi from invading Taiwan unless a bunch of celebs get together and sing 'Imagine?' You mean they're our only hope. Can't see any elected politician being prepared to stick their neck out and condemn a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. However a few no-longer-elected politicians may well say a few words knowing that the implications are fairly limited.
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 9, 2022 9:37:29 GMT 8
You mean they're our only hope. Can't see any elected politician being prepared to stick their neck out and condemn a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. However a few no-longer-elected politicians may well say a few words knowing that the implications are fairly limited. A couple of our elected politicians stuck their necks out a couple of weeks ago. Whether China listens is another story though There is one no-longer-elected politician in particular who correctly notes that both his predecessor and successor have overseen an invasion of Ukraine by Russia...
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Post by DropBear on Mar 9, 2022 11:01:43 GMT 8
You mean they're our only hope. Can't see any elected politician being prepared to stick their neck out and condemn a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. However a few no-longer-elected politicians may well say a few words knowing that the implications are fairly limited. A couple of our elected politicians stuck their necks out a couple of weeks ago. Whether China listens is another story though There is one no-longer-elected politician in particular who correctly notes that both his predecessor and successor have overseen an invasion of Ukraine by Russia... Would this be the same one who last week allegedly told a group of party faithful in New Orleans that the United States should paint Chinese flags on its F-22 planes and then use those planes to bomb Russia?
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 9, 2022 11:30:54 GMT 8
A couple of our elected politicians stuck their necks out a couple of weeks ago. Whether China listens is another story though There is one no-longer-elected politician in particular who correctly notes that both his predecessor and successor have overseen an invasion of Ukraine by Russia... Would this be the same one who last week allegedly told a group of party faithful in New Orleans that the United States should paint Chinese flags on its F-22 planes and then use those planes to bomb Russia? The one with a much better sense of humour than those tasked with misrepresenting him in the press, yes It does amuse me greatly though, that of the last three US presidents, the one that was portrayed for years as a Russian asset was also the only one who didn't have Russia invade another country under his watch
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Post by DropBear on Mar 9, 2022 11:41:37 GMT 8
It does amuse me greatly though, that of the last three US presidents, the one that was portrayed for years as a Russian asset was also the only one who didn't have Russia invade another country under his watch Given his unpredictability, it is entirely understandable why they didn't.
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 9, 2022 11:53:31 GMT 8
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Post by comfortablynumb on Mar 10, 2022 12:47:08 GMT 8
Given his unpredictability, it is entirely understandable why they didn't. Indeed. That's what is known as 'deterrence' Same reason you've got to be careful who you deal with on the streets, never know which one is the manic ice-addict. I'm not convinced Trumps nuttiness was good though. Still, Putin is proving he's right with him on the crazy scale. Maybe it was a case of honor among nutters that kept Putin quiet back then?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2022 14:44:48 GMT 8
Indeed. That's what is known as 'deterrence' Same reason you've got to be careful who you deal with on the streets, never know which one is the manic ice-addict. I'm not convinced Trumps nuttiness was good though. Still, Putin is proving he's right with him on the crazy scale. Maybe it was a case of honor among nutters that kept Putin quiet back then? Putin didn't invade when Trump was POTUS as Trump was doing exactly what he wanted: 1. Undermine weaken NATO. 2. Position USA as isolationist from Europe opening door to Putin to up the anti Ukraine Government narrative. 3. Withheld Billions in Military aid to Ukraine, demanding Ukraine provide evidence of Biden corruption, not provided as there was none. 4. With the Information Operation under way with Trump support or acquiesence, most of the MAGA crowd wouldn't have given a crap if a few green men had come out of the woods, requiring Russian intervention (watch CIA berlin station), few spetnaz to overcome, which would be easy as they were the green men anyway. Puppet pro Russian regime installed. 5. Trump is right war wouldn't have happened as he would have let the above happen. 6. Trump was elected in part due to Russian cyber and fake news stories (FBI finding and agreed by most of the National Security apparatus). Trump was/is either the most useful idiot to Putin, add in the sucking up to Putin at Helsinki, you can see how there was no need for a war when Trump was in office as he was not worried about regime change in Ukraine, especially after they wouldn't give dirt on Biden's (as there was none to give). Or he is allied to the same interests and end game of Putin.
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Post by IronJimbo on Mar 10, 2022 18:23:18 GMT 8
Putin didn't invade when Trump was POTUS as Trump was doing exactly what he wanted: 1. Undermine weaken NATO. 2. Position USA as isolationist from Europe opening door to Putin to up the anti Ukraine Government narrative. 3. Withheld Billions in Military aid to Ukraine, demanding Ukraine provide evidence of Biden corruption, not provided as there was none. 4. With the Information Operation under way with Trump support or acquiesence, most of the MAGA crowd wouldn't have given a crap if a few green men had come out of the woods, requiring Russian intervention (watch CIA berlin station), few spetnaz to overcome, which would be easy as they were the green men anyway. Puppet pro Russian regime installed. 5. Trump is right war wouldn't have happened as he would have let the above happen. 6. Trump was elected in part due to Russian cyber and fake news stories (FBI finding and agreed by most of the National Security apparatus). Trump was/is either the most useful idiot to Putin, add in the sucking up to Putin at Helsinki, you can see how there was no need for a war when Trump was in office as he was not worried about regime change in Ukraine, especially after they wouldn't give dirt on Biden's (as there was none to give). Or he is allied to the same interests and end game of Putin. Yeah, nah 1. Asking the other NATO members to pay their fair share is not 'undermining NATO' 2. Europe undermined itself and strengthened Russia by allowing a Swedish teenager to set the continent's energy policy 3. Obama sent Ukraine blankets when Russia took Crimea. Trump sent stinger missiles Trump sanctioned Nordstream to keep Russia in check. Biden lifted those sanctions and shut down Keystone instead And it wasn't Trump who openly bragged about withholding a billion dollars in aid to Ukraine. That was Biden 4. I have no idea what you're rambling about here 5. Funny how North Korea, China and Iran were also firmly back in their respective boxes during Trump's tenure... 6. Russia's 'influence' in the 2016 election amounted to some Facebook ads seen by a few hundred thousand people. And as recently shown by the Durham report (but characteristically ignored by your preferred news sources), Trump's alleged ties to Russia were fabricated by a Russian spy paid for by the Clintons
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Post by Peter on Mar 10, 2022 19:23:41 GMT 8
Gee I hate agreeing with Jimbo. Yet here I am again.
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