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Feb 24, 2022 16:16:51 GMT 8
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 16:16:51 GMT 8
Things looking a bit grim, perhaps people could have listened to Romney in 2012
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Feb 24, 2022 16:26:08 GMT 8
Post by IronJimbo on Feb 24, 2022 16:26:08 GMT 8
Things looking a bit grim, perhaps people could have listened to Romney in 2012 Isn't he the guy that Biden said wanted to put black people back in chains? Putin did subsequently prove Romney right of course, by taking Crimea. And now he's after the rest of Ukraine As has been shown over many decades now, when the west looks weak, bad things happen
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Feb 24, 2022 16:47:29 GMT 8
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 16:47:29 GMT 8
He said Y'all back in chains.
Romney made a point about Russia in 2012, Obama made light of it with his the 90's want their foreign policy back, we then got Crimea and their response in Syria.
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Feb 24, 2022 16:57:56 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 24, 2022 16:57:56 GMT 8
Given the deal in those countries that border Russia, that they wouldn’t side with the European countries and that’s exactly what 3 of the 4 countries have done with Ukraine planning to do the same, I understand why Russia is doing what they are doing.
Is it right? Probably not.
Putin won’t be able to spend his billions outside of Russia going forward now.
He’s not going to go to hawaiii or Disneyland anytime soon or ever.
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Feb 24, 2022 17:48:42 GMT 8
Post by IronJimbo on Feb 24, 2022 17:48:42 GMT 8
He said Y'all back in chains. Romney made a point about Russia in 2012, Obama made light of it with his the 90's want their foreign policy back, we then got Crimea and their response in Syria. Saint Barack said in 2012 the 80's called and wanted their foreign policy back Romney said today that the 80's called, and we didn't answer I wonder if the press will turn on Romney again now that he's criticised Biden
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Feb 24, 2022 18:16:22 GMT 8
Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2022 18:16:22 GMT 8
He said Y'all back in chains. Romney made a point about Russia in 2012, Obama made light of it with his the 90's want their foreign policy back, we then got Crimea and their response in Syria. Saint Barack said in 2012 the 80's called and wanted their foreign policy back Romney said today that the 80's called, and we didn't answer I wonder if the press will turn on Romney again now that he's criticised Biden Yes Obama got it wrong with Russia, while Romney might not have been the cool hip guy some people wanted, he was probably the better choice at the time, plus we wouldn't have had the follow up in 2016. Not sure what people want Biden to do here as no one will tolerate or support USA and Russian fighting
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Feb 24, 2022 18:48:13 GMT 8
Post by IronJimbo on Feb 24, 2022 18:48:13 GMT 8
Saint Barack said in 2012 the 80's called and wanted their foreign policy back Romney said today that the 80's called, and we didn't answer I wonder if the press will turn on Romney again now that he's criticised Biden Yes Obama got it wrong with Russia, while Romney might not have been the cool hip guy some people wanted, he was probably the better choice at the time, plus we wouldn't have had the follow up in 2016. Not sure what people want Biden to do here as no one will tolerate or support USA and Russian fighting There is nothing that Biden can do. The horse has bolted Taiwan is next
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Post by comfortablynumb on Feb 25, 2022 4:21:34 GMT 8
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Post by IronJimbo on Feb 25, 2022 4:53:59 GMT 8
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 5:53:47 GMT 8
Harriet Sinclair Fri, 25 February 2022, 3:35 am Former US President Donald Trump appeared to be under the impression that the US had invaded Ukraine during an exchange with Fox News host Laura Ingraham.
Bashing President Joe Biden for his handling of the crisis, Mr Trump and Ms Ingraham discussed the invasion, with Ms Ingraham repeating a report about an amphibious landing in Odessa, which Mr Trump appeared to think was a reference to US troops.
Follow the latest updates on Trump “We’re just learning that US officials are looking at a potential amphibious landing now in Odessa, Ukraine,” Ms Ingraham told Mr Trump.
“A month ago or three weeks ago, all the so-called experts were saying that Putin was probably gonna just be content with staying in those separatists regions. But I think given what’s unfolded – sadly with a lot of weakness in the United States – they just decided to go for it. I mean, it looks like they’re going for it,” she added.
“Well, I think the whole thing, again, would’ve never happened. It shouldn’t happen. And it’s a very sad thing,” Mr Trump responded.
“But you know what’s also very dangerous is you told me about the amphibious attack by Americans. You shouldn’t be saying that because you and everybody else shouldn’t know about it. They should do that secretly, not be doing that through the great Laura Ingraham. They should be doing that secretly. Nobody should know that, Laura,” he continued before the host interrupted him.
“No, those are the Russian amphibious landings,” she said.
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Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 7:26:36 GMT 8
Yep. That’s I’ve I’ve also read a few times. on this, it completely justifies what Putin is doing in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 7:35:42 GMT 8
Yep. That’s I’ve I’ve also read a few times. on this, it completely justifies what Putin is doing in my opinion Is this sarcasm
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Feb 25, 2022 12:59:07 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 12:59:07 GMT 8
Nope. A deal was done and now those border countries are reneging.
He’s justified to take them back.
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Feb 25, 2022 13:31:53 GMT 8
Post by DropBear on Feb 25, 2022 13:31:53 GMT 8
Nope. A deal was done and now those border countries are reneging. He’s justified to take them back. So its OK to invade a country because that other country decided that the deal was wrong and changed their mind? Of course its not. If it is then you'd better signup to the military because France is coming and I'm sure China will have no difficulties in finding a reason. For the record, I can't think of any justifiable reason for being the initial aggressor and invading another country without cause. Germany was wrong in the 30's, USSR was wrong in the 80's, America was wrong 20 years ago and Russia is wrong now.
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Feb 25, 2022 13:45:11 GMT 8
Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 13:45:11 GMT 8
Nope. A deal was done and now those border countries are reneging. He’s justified to take them back. That statement identifies you as A troll or B demented, it might also pay to research the deal, he has no right to invade and kill innocent people, but you think he does..
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Feb 25, 2022 13:49:09 GMT 8
Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2022 13:49:09 GMT 8
Nope. A deal was done and now those border countries are reneging. He’s justified to take them back. It is abundantly evident that Russian President Vladimir Putin is no fan of NATO. Indeed, he displays a pronounced—almost obsessive—antipathy toward the Alliance. He claims that NATO took advantage of Russian weakness after the collapse of the Soviet Union to enlarge to its east, in violation of promises allegedly made to Moscow by Western leaders. But no such promises were made—a point now confirmed by someone who was definitely in a position to know: Mikhail Gorbachev, then president of the Soviet Union. What the Germans, Americans, British and French did agree to in 1990 was that there would be no deployment of non-German NATO forces on the territory of the former GDR The interviewer asked why Gorbachev did not “insist that the promises made to you [Gorbachev]—particularly U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s promise that NATO would not expand into the East—be legally encoded?” Gorbachev replied: “The topic of ‘NATO expansion’ was not discussed at all, and it wasn’t brought up in those years. … Another issue we brought up was discussed: making sure that NATO’s military structures would not advance and that additional armed forces would not be deployed on the territory of the then-GDR after German reunification. Baker’s statement was made in that context… Everything that could have been and needed to be done to solidify that political obligation was done. And fulfilled.” Up until the Russian military occupation of Crimea in March, there was virtually no stationing of any NATO combat forces on the territory of new members. Since March, NATO has increased the presence of its military forces in the Baltic region and Central Europe. Putin is not stupid, and his aides surely have access to the former Soviet records from the time and understand the history of the commitments made by Western leaders and NATO. But the West’s alleged promise not to enlarge the Alliance will undoubtedly remain a standard element of his anti-NATO spin. That is because it fits so well with the picture that the Russian leader seeks to paint of an aggrieved Russia, taken advantage of by others and increasingly isolated—not due to its own actions, but because of the machinations of a deceitful West.
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Feb 25, 2022 14:00:33 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 14:00:33 GMT 8
Nope. A deal was done and now those border countries are reneging. He’s justified to take them back. That statement identifies you as A troll or B demented, it might also pay to research the deal, he has no right to invade and kill innocent people, but you think he does.. He can do what he wants. no countries are going to stop him because they are gutless and can’t match his power. and given what Ukraine has to offer, he’s smart. its not a troll. Just a fact of how the world works. For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “ This is why Ukraine matters to Russia It is the second-largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population of over 40 million - more than Poland. Ukraine ranks: 1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores; 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves; 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves); 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons); 2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves; 3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters) 4th in the world by the total value of natural resources; 7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons) Ukraine is an important agricultural country: 1st in Europe in terms of arable land area; 3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume); 1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil; 2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports; 3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world; 4th largest producer of potatoes in the world; 5th largest rye producer in the world; 5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons); 8th place in the world in wheat exports; 9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs; 16th place in the world in cheese exports. Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people. Ukraine is an important industrialized country: 1st in Europe in ammonia production; Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system; 3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants; 3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km); 3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment; 3rd largest iron exporter in the world 4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world; 4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers; 4th place in the world in clay exports 4th place in the world in titanium exports 8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates; 9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products; 10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons). Ukraine matters to make Russia great and powerful again. if you were Putin, you’d do the same. We all would. Ukraine can just stop fighting and hand over what Putin wants and no one would die. is it right what Putin is doing? No. is it wrong that Ukraine was going to abandon their deal to join NATO? Yes they said they would never do it and that’s why they were able to break away from Russia. they changed the rules. So Putin is going to take back what was once his/Russian
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Feb 25, 2022 14:04:29 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 14:04:29 GMT 8
As for Australia. Gutless.
what sanctions have we imposed
Eight senior Russian security officials and the oil and gas sectors will be targeted in the first round of Australian sanctions
8 people. Ffs. I’m sure Putin is sh!tting his pants.
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Feb 25, 2022 14:06:42 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 14:06:42 GMT 8
As for New Zealand. From a news article yesterday
They don’t care.
Neither Ukraine, nor Russia appeared to be particularly high priorities on New Zealand's foreign policy agenda. The latest annual report of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (MFAT) - presented in October 2021 and running to 163 pages - cites Russia only twice in passing and makes no mention of Ukraine. And MFAT's latest 'Strategic Intentions' document - essentially a roadmap of the ministry's priorities - does not address either country at all.
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Feb 25, 2022 14:09:22 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 14:09:22 GMT 8
Nope. A deal was done and now those border countries are reneging. He’s justified to take them back. So its OK to invade a country because that other country decided that the deal was wrong and changed their mind? Of course its not.If it is then you'd better signup to the military because France is coming and I'm sure China will have no difficulties in finding a reason. For the record, I can't think of any justifiable reason for being the initial aggressor and invading another country without cause. Germany was wrong in the 30's, USSR was wrong in the 80's, America was wrong 20 years ago and Russia is wrong now. Oh please. If the Germans backed out of their agreements after world war 2, it would have been back on like donkey Kong.
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Feb 25, 2022 19:42:05 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 19:42:05 GMT 8
🇷🇺 or 🇺🇸 Attachments:
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Feb 25, 2022 19:44:34 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 25, 2022 19:44:34 GMT 8
USA needs to probably shut up Attachments:
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Feb 26, 2022 7:38:14 GMT 8
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Post by IronJimbo on Feb 26, 2022 7:38:14 GMT 8
Meanwhile the New York Times is reporting that the Biden administration has been sharing intelligence re: Russia with China for months - who have then been promptly sharing it with the Russians...
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Post by DropBear on Feb 26, 2022 8:56:15 GMT 8
So its OK to invade a country because that other country decided that the deal was wrong and changed their mind? Of course its not.If it is then you'd better signup to the military because France is coming and I'm sure China will have no difficulties in finding a reason. For the record, I can't think of any justifiable reason for being the initial aggressor and invading another country without cause. Germany was wrong in the 30's, USSR was wrong in the 80's, America was wrong 20 years ago and Russia is wrong now. Oh please. If the Germans backed out of their agreements after world war 2, it would have been back on like donkey Kong. Must be hard to put a meaningful intelligent comeback down when you don't even have a basic knowledge about what you're talking about. Brief history lesson for you. 1930's (which were before WW2) saw Hitler invade Austria and then "annexed" Sudetenland prior to invading Poland in 1939 (which was the spark to WW2) So far, a lot of similarities to what we've seen over the past week or so from Putin and Russia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2022 9:02:18 GMT 8
Oh please. If the Germans backed out of their agreements after world war 2, it would have been back on like donkey Kong. Must be hard to put a meaningful intelligent comeback down when you don't even have a basic knowledge about what you're talking about. Brief history lesson for you. 1930's (which were before WW2) saw Hitler invade Austria and then "annexed" Sudetenland prior to invading Poland in 1939 (which was the spark to WW2) So far, a lot of similarities to what we've seen over the past week or so from Putin and Russia. He also keeps going on about the deal, as if that some how justifies a war. The deal is a nice little myth used by Putin. So either useful idiot or something else.
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Feb 26, 2022 15:22:53 GMT 8
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Post by prince on Feb 26, 2022 15:22:53 GMT 8
That statement identifies you as A troll or B demented, it might also pay to research the deal, he has no right to invade and kill innocent people, but you think he does.. He can do what he wants. no countries are going to stop him because they are gutless and can’t match his power. and given what Ukraine has to offer, he’s smart. its not a troll. Just a fact of how the world works. For those who ask: “Why does Ukraine matter? “ This is why Ukraine matters to Russia It is the second-largest country by area in Europe by area and has a population of over 40 million - more than Poland. Ukraine ranks: 1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores; 2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves; 2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world's reserves); 2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons); 2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves; 3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters) 4th in the world by the total value of natural resources; 7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons) Ukraine is an important agricultural country: 1st in Europe in terms of arable land area; 3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world's volume); 1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil; 2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports; 3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world; 4th largest producer of potatoes in the world; 5th largest rye producer in the world; 5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons); 8th place in the world in wheat exports; 9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs; 16th place in the world in cheese exports. Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people. Ukraine is an important industrialized country: 1st in Europe in ammonia production; Europe's 2nd’s and the world’s 4th largest natural gas pipeline system; 3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants; 3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km); 3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment; 3rd largest iron exporter in the world 4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world; 4th world's largest manufacturer of rocket launchers; 4th place in the world in clay exports 4th place in the world in titanium exports 8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates; 9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products; 10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons). Ukraine matters to make Russia great and powerful again. if you were Putin, you’d do the same. We all would. Ukraine can just stop fighting and hand over what Putin wants and no one would die. is it right what Putin is doing? No. is it wrong that Ukraine was going to abandon their deal to join NATO? Yes they said they would never do it and that’s why they were able to break away from Russia. they changed the rules. So Putin is going to take back what was once his/Russian Oh dear Peter. That’s a pretty bad point of view.
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Feb 27, 2022 11:18:29 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 27, 2022 11:18:29 GMT 8
Everyone has an opinion. As I said I don’t agree with what he’s doing, but I understand why he is doing it.
Also glad we can now get personal dropbear.
Game on.
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Feb 27, 2022 12:25:06 GMT 8
Post by DropBear on Feb 27, 2022 12:25:06 GMT 8
Also glad we can now get personal dropbear. Game on. Gees arn't you the one with the thin skin. You've dished plenty of personal abuse out over the past 12-18 months but when somebody actually shows you the factual errors of your argument you get your back up. Pathetic arn't you/
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Feb 27, 2022 14:38:16 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 27, 2022 14:38:16 GMT 8
Actually I have personally attacked anyone on this site. But now you have.
But to be expected from a weak as piss person that can’t even use their real name to remain hidden behind a fake name.
Because you at the end of the day are gutless.
Prince who at times we disagree, we still know who he is. As we do with roxii and zed etc.. but you. Weak as piss
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Feb 27, 2022 14:39:58 GMT 8
Post by Peter on Feb 27, 2022 14:39:58 GMT 8
And again
As I said I don’t agree with what he’s doing, but I understand why he is doing it.
And we all know Putin will win. Ukraine should give up now. The uk, USA, Europe aren’t sending anyone to help because they all know Putin will win.
Its just A matter of time.
I’d predict 2 weeks. Maybe 4 at the most.
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