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Post by prince on Apr 16, 2022 16:50:30 GMT 8
Agree. Scomo and team blue are still the underdogs. Last week, they would have secured many of the undecided however, as they realised Albo isnβt up to the task. The debate is on Wednesday and I would expect Scomo to win this which will secure more undecided. How can they be the under dog when Albo was shown repeatedly to be a dithering confused old man The last polls clearly show it, plus a fourth term government is rare. So underdogs they are but I expect the polls to be closer shortly.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 16, 2022 17:41:09 GMT 8
Compared to the man who's shown over the past 3 years that his ability to make the correct decision at the correct time is decidedly questionable? Whether people like the PM or not, in the last three years, Covid big, correct decision, Economic stimulus in Covid big correct decision, taking the correct stand regards Ukraine and China, big correct decision. Yeah but people arn't going to remember that They're going to remember that he took a holiday in Hawaii when the country was burning They're going to remember that he took a (some consider unneccessary) trip to the UK and then spent time in an Irish pub (allegedly) tracing his ancestry while most of the country was in lockdown and Australians overseas couldn't reenter the country. Rightly or wrongly, thats what people are going to judge him on. I certainly don't think people are going to judge either potential PM on whether they can recite the current cash rate or unemployment figures or whether their preferred "captains pick" for Warringah has issues with trans gender people. If our voting system was similar to the USA and we actually voted for the PM, I doubt either Scomo or Albo would be candidates. And in my opinion, I don't think Scomo did a good job during covid. He should have been unifying the country to combat a common threat but instead the country was divided more than ever. And I'm not entirely convinced that hes handled the China issue properly but prepared to (for now) give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he gets a pass mark on the economic stimulus package even though it had issues which really wern't his fault but should have been considered before the rollout. And as for the floods, his lack of consistent proactive action should be condemned for the political showboating that it was.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 16, 2022 20:32:07 GMT 8
Whether people like the PM or not, in the last three years, Covid big, correct decision, Economic stimulus in Covid big correct decision, taking the correct stand regards Ukraine and China, big correct decision. Yeah but people arn't going to remember that They're going to remember that he took a holiday in Hawaii when the country was burning They're going to remember that he took a (some consider unneccessary) trip to the UK and then spent time in an Irish pub (allegedly) tracing his ancestry while most of the country was in lockdown and Australians overseas couldn't reenter the country. Rightly or wrongly, thats what people are going to judge him on. I certainly don't think people are going to judge either potential PM on whether they can recite the current cash rate or unemployment figures or whether their preferred "captains pick" for Warringah has issues with trans gender people. If our voting system was similar to the USA and we actually voted for the PM, I doubt either Scomo or Albo would be candidates. And in my opinion, I don't think Scomo did a good job during covid. He should have been unifying the country to combat a common threat but instead the country was divided more than ever. And I'm not entirely convinced that hes handled the China issue properly but prepared to (for now) give him the benefit of the doubt. I think he gets a pass mark on the economic stimulus package even though it had issues which really wern't his fault but should have been considered before the rollout. And as for the floods, his lack of consistent proactive action should be condemned for the political showboating that it was. Twitter isn't real life The only people who still think Hawaii is relevant wouldn't be caught dead voting Liberal anyway
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Post by Peter on Apr 16, 2022 21:52:30 GMT 8
Compared to the man who's shown over the past 3 years that his ability to make the correct decision at the correct time is decidedly questionable? Governing is a bit harder than opposing As the Americans are finding out Tony Abbott proved that. he was a fantastic opposition leader. But a sh!t PM.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 17, 2022 6:56:28 GMT 8
Governing is a bit harder than opposing As the Americans are finding out Tony Abbott proved that. he was a fantastic opposition leader. But a sh!t PM. Boats stopped, carbon tax gone, mining tax gone, free trade agreements, business tax cut But he ate an onion, so yeah...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 10:12:51 GMT 8
Tony Abbott proved that. he was a fantastic opposition leader. But a sh!t PM. Boats stopped, carbon tax gone, mining tax gone, free trade agreements, business tax cut But he ate an onion, so yeah... www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-under-funded-despite-our-wealth/That was so awesome if you were a mining magnate, suppose it's the difference in principles, we value wealth of the individual above that of the Commonwealth, ironic.
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Post by prince on Apr 17, 2022 11:57:03 GMT 8
Boats stopped, carbon tax gone, mining tax gone, free trade agreements, business tax cut But he ate an onion, so yeah... www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-under-funded-despite-our-wealth/That was so awesome if you were a mining magnate, suppose it's the difference in principles, we value wealth of the individual above that of the Commonwealth, ironic. What this article fails to mention is the high cost of living in these counties. It is also mentions how everything is βunderfundedβ which is pure rubbish. There is also no comparison to Health care. It certainly doesnβt match our Medicare system in many if these countries.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 17, 2022 12:19:33 GMT 8
Boats stopped, carbon tax gone, mining tax gone, free trade agreements, business tax cut But he ate an onion, so yeah... www.michaelwest.com.au/australia-under-funded-despite-our-wealth/That was so awesome if you were a mining magnate, suppose it's the difference in principles, we value wealth of the individual above that of the Commonwealth, ironic. As we should . Increased individual strength leads to greater collective strength And nordic-style wealth redistribution is based on a capitalist economies funded largely by fossil fuel revenue and exorbitant taxation. No thanks
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 13:39:56 GMT 8
What this article fails to mention is the high cost of living in these counties. It is also mentions how everything is βunderfundedβ which is pure rubbish. There is also no comparison to Health care. It certainly doesnβt match our Medicare system in many if these countries. www.worlddata.info/country-comparison.php?country1=AUS&country2=NORPure rubbish is your hypothesis which you are supposed to support with logic, reason, analysis, supporting material and even some critical thinking. But "pure rubbish" it is
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Post by prince on Apr 17, 2022 16:02:03 GMT 8
Cost of going to a GP. Unemployment rate currently ?? Or is this from Albos diary ? So many gaps in your articles.
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Post by prince on Apr 17, 2022 16:05:12 GMT 8
Meanwhile Albo has another GAF re Laborβs border policy. Surely he canβt be the next PM as he doesnβt know his own policies.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 18:05:06 GMT 8
Cost of going to a GP. Unemployment rate currently ?? Or is this from Albos diary ? So many gaps in your articles. I highlighted the big picture stuff, did you read the articles? The response above was about health so why the question about unemployment? Aus is 4, Norway 4.62. In 2018 it was 5.3 % and in Norway 3.8. The current government has done well with unemployment after years of previous government not doing so well. What are the gaps? Do you find the Commonwealth fund to be not credible or the Australian Institute of Health and welfare? Are you able and willing to do any research and have a productive discussion? Under Employment in Australia 6.3 % www.abs.gov.au/statistics/labour/employment-and-unemployment/labour-force-australia/latest-releaseWhile Under employment rate in Norway is 2.4 % ycharts.com/indicators/norway_underemployment_rate. That 4 % difference could inform some thinking, what do you think it means? I pay about $80 dollars to see the GP, good luck finding a bulk billing doctor around here, though I accept that they are around, but they are definitely a volume and coin operated business. It is about $27 with a cap at around $600 where no more is charged www.expatfocus.com/norway/health/how-much-do-health-procedures-cost-in-norway-5778All questions answered which only served to distract from the actual discussion, your claim is that there are gaps in the claims, if those were the gaps (not that I made any claim about the cost of a GP) the answers are provided above. I think this was driven from your claim that their health system was no match for our (nicely parochial) which based on outcomes and costs it is without the large extra costs of private health, though accept it is different model with very similar health outcomes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 18:06:16 GMT 8
Meanwhile Albo has another GAF re Laborβs border policy. Surely he canβt be the next PM as he doesnβt know his own policies. Most people are agreeing with you that Albo is doing very poorly and we can't see Labour mounting a serious campaign.
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 17, 2022 20:30:19 GMT 8
Coalition in to $2.70 with Sportsbet, from $3.05 yesterday #justsayin $2.10 now. Down from $3.05 in under a week #justsayin
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 6:34:21 GMT 8
Coalition in to $2.70 with Sportsbet, from $3.05 yesterday #justsayin $2.10 now. Down from $3.05 in under a week #justsayin dd you get on it early
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Post by DropBear on Apr 18, 2022 6:43:14 GMT 8
Coalition in to $2.70 with Sportsbet, from $3.05 yesterday #justsayin $2.10 now. Down from $3.05 in under a week #justsayin Didn't these same bookies pay out early on a Bill Shorten led Labor victory last election?
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Post by Peter on Apr 18, 2022 7:04:53 GMT 8
Cost of going to a GP. Unemployment rate currently ?? Or is this from Albos diary ? So many gaps in your articles. I pay about $80 dollars to see the GP, good luck finding a bulk billing doctor around here, though I accept that they are around, but they are definitely a volume and coin operated business. Wow. Iβm surprised by this. I have 3 GP clinics near me. All are bulk billed. never a cent out of pocket. I wonder if this is a Victorian thing?
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Post by Peter on Apr 18, 2022 7:05:46 GMT 8
LOL π. So you and the media believe polls. Despite them being wrong for the last 23 elections
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 18, 2022 7:31:13 GMT 8
$2.10 now. Down from $3.05 in under a week #justsayin dd you get on it early Nope
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Post by IronJimbo on Apr 18, 2022 7:33:04 GMT 8
$2.10 now. Down from $3.05 in under a week #justsayin Didn't these same bookies pay out early on a Bill Shorten led Labor victory last election? Yep. The same ones who offered $7.50 for Morrison on the morning of the poll Ch-ching
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 7:51:53 GMT 8
LOL π. So you and the media believe polls. Despite them being wrong for the last 23 elections Where did I say I believe the polls, just providing the polls along with some interesting data. My posts clearly state that I think the LNP will win and win easily. The data on inflation heading to 5.1%, 8.4 % under employed. If we were looking at the data rather than a contest to see who can talk about nothing better (a skill all pollies have to master), we would perhaps look at different things. But as Prince and others allude to people vote for what they think is in their narrow interest, though most of them tend to vote against their best interests.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 7:56:27 GMT 8
Nope 1.95 LNP, 1.75 Albo needs to man up and quit with this small target nice guy stuff hoping to stumble in, given the amount of easy targets he could and should be using. Tudge and Miller could be a good start, then there is so much more. Scomo is a better scrapper and fighter
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Post by prince on Apr 18, 2022 8:02:08 GMT 8
LOL π. So you and the media believe polls. Despite them being wrong for the last 23 elections Where did I say I believe the polls, just providing the polls along with some interesting data. My posts clearly state that I think the LNP will win and win easily. The data on inflation heading to 5.1%, 8.4 % under employed. If we were looking at the data rather than a contest to see who can talk about nothing better (a skill all pollies have to master), we would perhaps look at different things. But as Prince and others allude to people vote for what they think is in their narrow interest, though most of them tend to vote against their best interests. there is no proof of underemployment being high. that is a labor narrative. I have 5 vacancies open at the moment and can't get people to attend interviews. thats my proof. As for people voting in their 'narrow' interests, I think that is unfair and sounds like you think voters are uneducated mugs. If the Libs do win, it will be because the labor party have been playing the man for too long and now is the time voters want some substance on policies. They haven't transitioned from opposition to campaign mode.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 8:05:25 GMT 8
Where did I say I believe the polls, just providing the polls along with some interesting data. My posts clearly state that I think the LNP will win and win easily. The data on inflation heading to 5.1%, 8.4 % under employed. If we were looking at the data rather than a contest to see who can talk about nothing better (a skill all pollies have to master), we would perhaps look at different things. But as Prince and others allude to people vote for what they think is in their narrow interest, though most of them tend to vote against their best interests. there is no proof of underemployment being high. that is a labor narrative. I have 5 vacancies open at the moment and can't get people to attend interviews. thats my proof. As for people voting in their 'narrow' interests, I think that is unfair and sounds like you think voters are uneducated mugs. If the Libs do win, it will be because the labor party have been playing the man for too long and now is the time voters want some substance on policies. They haven't transitioned from opposition to campaign mode. I won't re-post the links as you don't read then and say whatever your frontal lobe pulse triggers. There is plenty data and evidence of underemployment (you won't read them, dismiss it and use your n =1 sample). But riddle me this if you are competing in the Labour market and have 5 vacancies open and no one is attending, have you thought about increasing the wages or offering better conditions?
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Post by prince on Apr 18, 2022 8:16:57 GMT 8
there is no proof of underemployment being high. that is a labor narrative. I have 5 vacancies open at the moment and can't get people to attend interviews. thats my proof. As for people voting in their 'narrow' interests, I think that is unfair and sounds like you think voters are uneducated mugs. If the Libs do win, it will be because the labor party have been playing the man for too long and now is the time voters want some substance on policies. They haven't transitioned from opposition to campaign mode. I won't re-post the links as you don't read then and say whatever your frontal lobe pulse triggers. There is plenty data and evidence of underemployment (you won't read them, dismiss it and use your n =1 sample). But riddle me this if you are competing in the Labour market and have 5 vacancies open and no one is attending, have you thought about increasing the wages or offering better conditions? Your articles are whatever you googled to support your argument, so I will spare you me posting more links against your argument. this one is all you will get from me: www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/comparison/australia/norwayHence why I dont believe their substance. for my jobs, I benchmark carefully, wages are comparable, conditions are good and benefits are good. Even recruiters will tell you there is a glut of jobs in the market and few applicants, partly due to border closures, but thats another story. Of course Albo says he will increase wages which is remarkable as he doesn't understand businesses need to flourish to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 8:50:31 GMT 8
I won't re-post the links as you don't read then and say whatever your frontal lobe pulse triggers. There is plenty data and evidence of underemployment (you won't read them, dismiss it and use your n =1 sample). But riddle me this if you are competing in the Labour market and have 5 vacancies open and no one is attending, have you thought about increasing the wages or offering better conditions? Your articles are whatever you googled to support your argument, so I will spare you me posting more links against your argument. this one is all you will get from me: www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/country/comparison/australia/norwayHence why I dont believe their substance. for my jobs, I benchmark carefully, wages are comparable, conditions are good and benefits are good. Even recruiters will tell you there is a glut of jobs in the market and few applicants, partly due to border closures, but thats another story. Of course Albo says he will increase wages which is remarkable as he doesn't understand businesses need to flourish to do so. I googled without bias, just googled, why do you assume bias? You have dismiss what doesn't suit your view. If you can't get people to turn up, your job is not competitive in the marketplace. If you aren't filling jobs which are needed that means productivity is being lost. If you can't make profit at wages others can then your company is not efficient so it will lose to others who are. The Norway links is good yes they are 18 % more expensive than Oz, however their median wage is 33 % higher and they don't waste heaps of money on private health insurance to achieve similar health outcomes. I posted no more links as you have decided that anything I post must be biased and nothing could be learned, very GOP, MAGA and trump of you.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 18, 2022 9:22:17 GMT 8
Nope Albo needs to man up and quit with this small target nice guy stuff hoping to stumble in, given the amount of easy targets he could and should be using. Tudge and Miller could be a good start, then there is so much more. Why? The media is doing a great job raising that particular issue and asking questions that are unlikely to be answered to this side of the election. Albo doesn't need to even mention the issue and therefore there is significantly less chance of him putting both feet in his mouth.
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Post by DropBear on Apr 18, 2022 9:34:26 GMT 8
I googled without bias, just googled, why do you assume bias? Just so that you know, Google is most definitely biased in what it returns. Search results are returned based on an (as far as I know unreleased) algorithm that leans towards certain results being top of list. So regardless of your particular slant, the results you got from Google probably are tainted with a particular bias. So grabbing the top of the list and say here is my evidence is generally not the most intelligent argument.
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