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Post by plazbot on May 27, 2021 4:46:56 GMT 8
I bet more and more irritated about the Australian response and the perception within the population. Australian numbers are 900 deaths on 30000 infections. Where I live, we are 1600 deaths on 560000 infections. I hear from many of my Ozmates that they don't need to vaccinate as covid isn't in OZ.
Every day a new radom contact arises. I think that the country has blinkers on and the two most important aspects there are being missed. Testing and vaccination.
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Post by kenkong on May 27, 2021 6:10:54 GMT 8
I bet more and more irritated about the Australian response and the perception within the population. Australian numbers are 900 deaths on 30000 infections. Where I live, we are 1600 deaths on 560000 infections. I hear from many of my Ozmates that they don't need to vaccinate as covid isn't in OZ. Every day a new radom contact arises. I think that the country has blinkers on and the two most important aspects there are being missed. Testing and vaccination. Its not the publics fault, it's the media. Every time there is a adverse vaccine reaction its front page, on TV and all over the radio. Fear and sensationalism sells...Then you find out leaders, state premiers haven't even been jabbed, I can understand peoples reluctance.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 27, 2021 6:42:23 GMT 8
Last week about 6000 Victorians were getting the jab each day, yesterday it was 15800.
"The man in his 60s responsible for at least some of the virus spreading had symptoms and was infectious in the community for a whole week before getting tested. And at least three of those who have now tested positive are over the age of 50 and had not been vaccinated. "
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Post by roxii on May 27, 2021 6:55:04 GMT 8
Some strange logic among those not hurrying to get vaccinated. One girl at my work was planning the "trip of a lifetime" for her family to disneyland when Covid hit. She said she was in no hurry to get vaccinated. I asked about her holiday and she said "Oh when the allow travel again then I will think abut getting vaccinated" My response was "what if everyone was like you but the Govt. is waiting for a certain % of people to get vaccinated before they open the borders?" "OH yeah" she said "didn't really think of that"
How long before I can go postal and start calling people selfish dicks for not getting vaccinated?
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Post by kenkong on May 27, 2021 7:08:09 GMT 8
Some strange logic among those not hurrying to get vaccinated. One girl at my work was planning the "trip of a lifetime" for her family to disneyland when Covid hit. She said she was in no hurry to get vaccinated. I asked about her holiday and she said "Oh when the allow travel again then I will think abut getting vaccinated" My response was "what if everyone was like you but the Govt. is waiting for a certain % of people to get vaccinated before they open the borders?" "OH yeah" she said "didn't really think of that" How long before I can go postal and start calling people selfish dicks for not getting vaccinated? The government should be upfront with what the plan is, if they even have a plan. If people new they could travel if vaccinated, or % population vaccinated then the uptake would increase. The whole thing is a joke. As it stands you aren't even given a piece of paper proving you have been vaccinated. The incompetence of our leaders is bewildering
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Post by gregb on May 27, 2021 7:50:39 GMT 8
How long before I can go postal and start calling people selfish dicks for not getting vaccinated? Maybe give it another half hour.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 27, 2021 8:00:45 GMT 8
How long before I can go postal and start calling people selfish dicks for not getting vaccinated? It would be much easier to go postal in Texas. You no longer need a license, background check or training to carry a hand gun. Texas Gun Law
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Post by cottoneyes on May 27, 2021 9:29:15 GMT 8
James Merlino in his announcement saying that if more people were vaccinated they might not need to go to lockdown.
Well James Merlino, here's been my experience of trying to get vaccinated. I've spent every day of this week on the Victorian governments hotline to book in a vaccination (the local centre will not accept walk ins and has no online booking). At least 3 times every day I've been on hold for 15 minutes before I get hung up on.
I went to book online with the local GPs. My regular GP is not giving the vaccine, those to be booked online say only existing patients can be booked in. So the only option is to drive up to Melbourne which we have been avoiding to ensure we don't bring anything back - considering my wife works in aged care, this is important as we've only had 1 case in our community the entire outbreak
Now you go opening up the vaccines to even more people, when my wife as an aged care nurse in Stage 1A has still not been able to get hers, and myself in 1B have not been able to get one. You also then decide all of regional Vic needs to go into lockdown - Why?
Great management, it takes a special type of muppet to make Dan look good. The next election can't come around soon enough
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Post by Peter on May 27, 2021 9:51:49 GMT 8
Some strange logic among those not hurrying to get vaccinated. One girl at my work was planning the "trip of a lifetime" for her family to disneyland when Covid hit. She said she was in no hurry to get vaccinated. I asked about her holiday and she said "Oh when the allow travel again then I will think abut getting vaccinated" My response was "what if everyone was like you but the Govt. is waiting for a certain % of people to get vaccinated before they open the borders?" "OH yeah" she said "didn't really think of that" How long before I can go postal and start calling people selfish dicks for not getting vaccinated? The government should be upfront with what the plan is, if they even have a plan. If people new they could travel if vaccinated, or % population vaccinated then the uptake would increase. The whole thing is a joke. As it stands you aren't even given a piece of paper proving you have been vaccinated. The incompetence of our leaders is bewildering This really surprised me too. Its obviou Against my Medicare number as I got surveys and test messages but if I got pulled over by the cops I could only show a hand written card of the date I got the first shot.
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Post by Peter on May 27, 2021 9:52:56 GMT 8
James Merlino in his announcement saying that if more people were vaccinated they might not need to go to lockdown. Well James Merlino, here's been my experience of trying to get vaccinated. I've spent every day of this week on the Victorian governments hotline to book in a vaccination (the local centre will not accept walk ins and has no online booking). At least 3 times every day I've been on hold for 15 minutes before I get hung up on. I went to book online with the local GPs. My regular GP is not giving the vaccine, those to be booked online say only existing patients can be booked in. So the only option is to drive up to Melbourne which we have been avoiding to ensure we don't bring anything back - considering my wife works in aged care, this is important as we've only had 1 case in our community the entire outbreak Now you go opening up the vaccines to even more people, when my wife as an aged care nurse in Stage 1A has still not been able to get hers, and myself in 1B have not been able to get one. You also then decide all of regional Vic needs to go into lockdown - Why? Great management, it takes a special type of muppet to make Dan look good. The next election can't come around soon enough Its simple. Drive to the city and get it. The time you’ve wasted on calls etc, you could have had it, and been back home.
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Post by roxii on May 27, 2021 10:04:15 GMT 8
The government should be upfront with what the plan is, if they even have a plan. If people new they could travel if vaccinated, or % population vaccinated then the uptake would increase. The whole thing is a joke. As it stands you aren't even given a piece of paper proving you have been vaccinated. The incompetence of our leaders is bewildering This really surprised me too. Its obviou Against my Medicare number as I got surveys and test messages but if I got pulled over by the cops I could only show a hand written card of the date I got the first shot. It is available on your MyGov account
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Post by roxii on May 27, 2021 10:06:37 GMT 8
Would love to see a venn diagram of those complaining they cant go watch their team play this weekend and those saying they are in no hurry to get vaccinated.
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Post by goughy on May 27, 2021 10:18:04 GMT 8
I bet more and more irritated about the Australian response and the perception within the population. Australian numbers are 900 deaths on 30000 infections. Where I live, we are 1600 deaths on 560000 infections. I hear from many of my Ozmates that they don't need to vaccinate as covid isn't in OZ. Every day a new radom contact arises. I think that the country has blinkers on and the two most important aspects there are being missed. Testing and vaccination. Its not the publics fault, it's the media. Every time there is a adverse vaccine reaction its front page, on TV and all over the radio. Fear and sensationalism sells...Then you find out leaders, state premiers haven't even been jabbed, I can understand peoples reluctance. While the media has played a part, it's not just them! The govts quickly changed tack on the vaccine, and info was really confusing. And then you have pollies look like AP and Qld chief medical officer who haven't been vaccinated yet..... The whole thing is a shamozzle.
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Post by kenkong on May 27, 2021 12:03:47 GMT 8
Really makes you wonder.. Is this seriously the best we can do? Had someone compare it to ebola or anthrax etc-imagine if covid was really deadly, we would be stuffed.
And yet there are still so many people who make excuses for the government, both state and federal.. Its mind boggling how people can accept such piss poor performance when it's their/their parents lives and their kids futures at stake..
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Post by Katz on May 27, 2021 13:03:24 GMT 8
I got an emailed certificate of vaccination. Plus MyGov. Plus SMS.
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Post by Peter on May 27, 2021 13:11:50 GMT 8
I got an emailed certificate of vaccination. Plus MyGov. Plus SMS. I’ve looked in myGov. Nothing. Where do you see it? What options?
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Post by kenkong on May 27, 2021 13:53:25 GMT 8
I got an emailed certificate of vaccination. Plus MyGov. Plus SMS. Which shows what a dogs breakfast this is from state to state. When I got mine I received nothing, complained that I should at least have some sort of receipt but nope sorry, we can't offer you anything. I was gobsmacked..
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Post by Peter on May 27, 2021 13:57:55 GMT 8
I got an emailed certificate of vaccination. Plus MyGov. Plus SMS. Okay my medicare wasnt linked to mygov. Just did it. Its listed there I had it on the 4th of May.
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Post by toolish on May 27, 2021 19:10:55 GMT 8
James Merlino in his announcement saying that if more people were vaccinated they might not need to go to lockdown. Well James Merlino, here's been my experience of trying to get vaccinated. I've spent every day of this week on the Victorian governments hotline to book in a vaccination (the local centre will not accept walk ins and has no online booking). At least 3 times every day I've been on hold for 15 minutes before I get hung up on. I went to book online with the local GPs. My regular GP is not giving the vaccine, those to be booked online say only existing patients can be booked in. So the only option is to drive up to Melbourne which we have been avoiding to ensure we don't bring anything back - considering my wife works in aged care, this is important as we've only had 1 case in our community the entire outbreak Now you go opening up the vaccines to even more people, when my wife as an aged care nurse in Stage 1A has still not been able to get hers, and myself in 1B have not been able to get one. You also then decide all of regional Vic needs to go into lockdown - Why? Great management, it takes a special type of muppet to make Dan look good. The next election can't come around soon enough Its simple. Drive to the city and get it. The time you’ve wasted on calls etc, you could have had it, and been back home. I turned 40 yesterday, so as of todays announcement I can get Pfizer through a state run site. Just have to drive to Bendigo (400km either way) to get it.... It was stated we didn't need a centre up here as we are lower risk. But we are sure as hell locked down like the rest of the state. As far as this government is concerned the state f*cking stops at Bendigo except for lock downs it seems Attachments:
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Post by cottoneyes on May 27, 2021 20:06:44 GMT 8
Yep, I hear you Toolish.
For me - I'm wearing a mask for the next week when in crowds - beyond that life is going on as normal for me. This government is a joke and deserves civil disobedience to their draconian measures - particularly in the regional areas. Any business that wants to open to stick it to the government - I'll support you with my patronage.
Unfortunately the same stupid rules meant to 'protect' the regional areas has seen every man and dog from the city escape Melbourne to the regions and their holiday houses or new whizz bang caravan, which in turn will bring the virus into our areas. Then James will stand up and say 'Told you so', completely unaware of his own stupidity. The road to Phillip Island has been worse the last 48 hours than Christmas time.
As for the vaccines, every regional council has a vaccination team with the equipment, experience and staff to get the vaccines out and done. Not one of them has even been consulted about getting this done. Our local hospitals were told to prepare to set up vaccination centre by end of April - nothing from State or Federal government since. Meanwhile local GP clinic has told me early July I can book in for first Pfizer shot - subject to availability.
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 6:56:21 GMT 8
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 8:41:29 GMT 8
How funny is this. Must stay at home. Unless of course you want to go out shopping.
Reading between the lines id say nsw wants cases so people go and get the vaccine.
If you’re entering NSW after 4pm today (27 May) from Victoria, you must follow stay-at-home rules for the next 7 days. You must also complete an entry declaration form 👉 bit.ly/VicTravelDeclaration
You can leave your home for any of the following reasons: 🛒 shopping for essential items 💊 to receive medical care (including to receive the COVID-19 vaccine) 👩⚕️ providing care for others ⛹️♀️ outdoor exercise 🚊 essential work or education, if you can’t do this from home.
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 8:44:08 GMT 8
How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine?
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 9:27:51 GMT 8
How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine? That would be a very interesting stat. How many healthy people under 50 have died from Covid versus the vaccine. I wouldn't be suprised if the vaccine has killed more, but then you have to factor in how many lives over 50 have been saved via reduced transmission I guess..
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Post by Ironnerd on May 28, 2021 12:55:37 GMT 8
How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine? That would be a very interesting stat. How many healthy people under 50 have died from Covid versus the vaccine. I wouldn't be suprised if the vaccine has killed more, but then you have to factor in how many lives over 50 have been saved via reduced transmission I guess.. In the UK up to the end of January 2021 approximately 1400 people, under the age of 50 have died of Covid. From 21 million AZ doses in the UK 32 people (mostly under 50) have died from blood clots. Note that many of the death blood clots have not yet been conclusively linked to AZ. The normal death rate from brain blood clots in the UK is about the same as the brain blood clots death rate from AZ. So in the UK you are much, much more likely to die from Covid, than from AZ blood clots. How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? 1400how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine? 32
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 13:11:00 GMT 8
That would be a very interesting stat. How many healthy people under 50 have died from Covid versus the vaccine. I wouldn't be suprised if the vaccine has killed more, but then you have to factor in how many lives over 50 have been saved via reduced transmission I guess.. In the UK up to the end of January 2021 approximately 1400 people, under the age of 50 have died of Covid. From 21 million AZ doses in the UK 32 people (mostly under 50) have died from blood clots. Note that many of the death blood clots have not yet been conclusively linked to AZ. The normal death rate from brain blood clots in the UK is about the same as the brain blood clots death rate from AZ. So in the UK you are much, much more likely to die from Covid, than from AZ blood clots. How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? 1400how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine? 32Does the data show of the 1400 how many were healthy and no pre existing health issues? How many of the doses were under 50.And also for the people who who have died from the vaccine how many also didn't have pre existing health issues etc. I don't expect you to have this, just thinking aloud..numbers need completeness for full understanding. It seems on face value the majority of people who died from covid have had pre existing issues, where the blood clot issues are random?
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Post by Ironnerd on May 28, 2021 13:58:26 GMT 8
Interestingly the data is there for some of your questions. 202 Covid deaths for people under 50 with no pre-existing conditions.
There is no age or pre-existing health data on the 32 AZ potentially related deaths that I could find.
Country Age Main pre-existing condition Number of deaths England and Wales Persons 0-44 No pre-existing condition 101 England and Wales Persons 45-49 No pre-existing condition 91
In Australia only 5 people, all men, under the age of 50 have died from Covid. 73% of people who die of Covid in Australia have under laying health problems. In Australia the only confirmed AZ death was in a 48 year old female with underlying conditions. 682 people have died from Covid in Australia.
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 13:59:19 GMT 8
How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? 1400 how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine? 32 It seems on face value the majority of people who died from covid have had pre existing issues, where the blood clot issues are random Kenkong. It seems you are anti AZ even in light of facts. Healthy or not, their deaths are related or due to Covid. If Covid didn’t exist they would most likely be alive. Well not all 1400 would have died due to other factors that’s for sure. Thanks for the factual data Ironnerd
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 14:35:31 GMT 8
When you bring facts to an interview
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 14:56:34 GMT 8
How many people under 50 in the uk have died from Covid? 1400 how many people under 50 in the uk have died from blood clots from AZ vaccine? 32 It seems on face value the majority of people who died from covid have had pre existing issues, where the blood clot issues are random Kenkong. It seems you are anti AZ even in light of facts. Healthy or not, their deaths are related or due to Covid. If Covid didn’t exist they would most likely be alive. Well not all 1400 would have died due to other factors that’s for sure. Thanks for the factual data Ironnerd No I'm not anti vacine at all, what gave you that impression? I was simply looking deeper into the data, taking random numbers on face value can very easily lead to a false understanding. For example, as ironerd showed when you take out the underlying health issues the rate of covid death was substantially lower. I think every one should vaccinate, that doesn't mean we shouldn't also dig deeper into discussing the actual impacts of a vacine for example and how it might otherwise affect healthy people.
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