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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 14:58:43 GMT 8
Have you got the vaccine? Are you over 40?
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 15:03:48 GMT 8
Have you got the vaccine? Are you over 40? Yes. But that doesn't mean I'm not going to find the data interesting about potential health implications of vaccination. I've seen enough over the last 12+months to know our leaders can get things wrong. Look back to the first polio vaccination for examples of things going wrong. Again stressing I'm not anti jab, just open eyes and ears..
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 15:06:28 GMT 8
Obviously a long time ago and huge leaps in medical advancement since but nethertheless..
"In April 1955 more than 200 000 children in five Western and mid-Western USA states received a polio vaccine in which the process of inactivating the live virus proved to be defective. Within days there were reports of paralysis and within a month the first mass vaccination programme against polio had to be abandoned. Subsequent investigations revealed that the vaccine, manufactured by the California-based family firm of Cutter Laboratories, had caused 40 000 cases of polio, leaving 200 children with varying degrees of paralysis and killing 10."
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Post by roxii on May 28, 2021 15:22:39 GMT 8
What I find interesting is that there is a big stress on pre existing conditions for COVID casualties as if to play down the role of the virus, yet pre existing conditions don’t get much of a run when reporting the clots. I’d be happy if they didn’t report clots until they were thoroughly investigated and proven to be a result of the vaccine.
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Post by kenkong on May 28, 2021 15:48:24 GMT 8
What I find interesting is that there is a big stress on pre existing conditions for COVID casualties as if to play down the role of the virus, yet pre existing conditions don’t get much of a run when reporting the clots. I’d be happy if they didn’t report clots until they were thoroughly investigated and proven to be a result of the vaccine. Agree, that's why I also asked Iron if that info was available. We need to be told all the facts. They need to sell it. At the moment the media are doing their normal fear sells job, but we aren't given any sensible counter arguments like clots also happen with normal flu shots etc-do they? I don't know but I'd assume they do if what's happening with the vaccine is normal.
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 15:57:36 GMT 8
What I find interesting is that there is a big stress on pre existing conditions for COVID casualties as if to play down the role of the virus, yet pre existing conditions don’t get much of a run when reporting the clots. I’d be happy if they didn’t report clots until they were thoroughly investigated and proven to be a result of the vaccine. Agree, that's why I also asked Iron if that info was available. We need to be told all the facts. They need to sell it. At the moment the media are doing their normal fear sells job, but we aren't given any sensible counter arguments like clots also happen with normal flu shots etc-do they? I don't know but I'd assume they do if what's happening with the vaccine is normal. They don’t know all of the facts. pfizer could slowly give you kidney disease over the next 15 years but we won’t know for 15 years etc…
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 15:58:50 GMT 8
Re selling it. Down here if they had 4 million Pfizer shots people could get today, you’d have 4 million Victorians with it.
They need to sell it in WA and qld. But not down here.
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Post by Peter on May 28, 2021 19:32:47 GMT 8
Sadly people are brainwashed into accepting lockdowns
but
Five reasons Victoria should not be in a state-wide lockdown
1. No mystery cases
2. Cases only in Melbourne
3. Elimination strategy is unsustainable
4. Lockdown is not needed if tracing and testing is good enough
5. State government failed to roll out universal QR check-in system
Source: Professor Peter Collignon
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Post by Ironnerd on May 28, 2021 19:39:26 GMT 8
The value of a vaccine in a pandemic is not just to the individual it is to society as well. You might be under 50 and healthy so personally have a low risk of Covid death. However being vaccinated brings benefits to society. - It will reduce the risk of older people dying.
- It will reduce the risk of health compromised people dying.
- Reduces the strain and cost on health services
- Reduces the risk of new variants.
- Reduces (eliminates?) the constant lock downs.
- Reduces the cost of business of lock downs.
There seems to be a a large number of people with "long" Covid among young, healthy people. Early days for research on this. Even for a young healthy person getting Covid there may be negative consequences.
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Post by dalai on May 28, 2021 19:41:07 GMT 8
I think every one should vaccinate, that doesn't mean we shouldn't also dig deeper into discussing the actual impacts of a vacine for example and how it might otherwise affect healthy people. Given the millions of doses of AZ globally at least the short term risks seem minimal -scaremongering media posts like you posted above are doing their job and scaring people including me. Regardless I am booked for Monday and if it kills me it is unfortunate but we need the population to take it otherwise the rest of our lives will be no travel and lockdown! The potential impact of covid has been clear and often look to be ongoing many months after infection and potentially life changing if not fatal. Personally more concerned of covid than any vaccine...
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Post by chris on May 28, 2021 19:43:08 GMT 8
The value of a vaccine in a pandemic is not just to the individual it is to society as well. You might be under 50 and healthy so personally have a low risk of Covid death. However being vaccinated brings benefits to society. - It will reduce the risk of older people dying.
- It will reduce the risk of health compromised people dying.
- Reduces the strain and cost on health services
- Reduces the risk of new variants.
- Reduces (eliminates?) the constant lock downs.
- Reduces the cost of business of lock downs.
There seems to be a a large number of people with "long" Covid among young, healthy people. Early days for research on this. Even for a young healthy person getting Covid there may be negative consequences.
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Post by plazbot on May 28, 2021 22:33:18 GMT 8
When you bring facts to an interview Hold up bro. How many people from a random population died from blood clots.
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Post by sammyb on May 29, 2021 4:24:41 GMT 8
Re selling it. Down here if they had 4 million Pfizer shots people could get today, you’d have 4 million Victorians with it. They need to sell it in WA and qld. But not down here. We're going through IVF and there's little to no mention of vaccines and the effect on the male/female reproductive system. So we're holding off as long as possible
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Post by Peter on May 29, 2021 9:57:14 GMT 8
When you bring facts to an interview Hold up bro. How many people from a random population died from blood clots. I think no one yet in Australia.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 29, 2021 17:23:15 GMT 8
When you bring facts to an interview Hold up bro. How many people from a random population died from blood clots. Approximately 5000 people a year die of blood clots in Australia, not related to vaccines. 1 person is confirmed to have died from an AZ related blood clot in Australia.
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Post by kenkong on May 29, 2021 18:31:32 GMT 8
That video needs a FB type disclaimer that the information may not be accurate. Nicholas Wade is considered controversial for his views on race and other topics. Claims that Covid escaped from from a lab have been rejected by groups such as the WHO. Pressure is starting to mount on the evidence that it wasn't naturally occurring www.news.com.au/world/asia/chinese-scientists-created-covid-in-a-lab-new-report-claims/news-story/c1e05ce7b503393f6e5989ac82e91c8d"A key clue was a row of four positively-charged amino acids on the SARS-Cov-2 spike. The scientists said even a row of three amino acids was rare to find in nature — as they tended to repel each other, like magnets — so it was “extremely unlikely” to find a row of four in a naturally occurring organism. “The laws of physics mean that you cannot have four positively charged amino acids in a row. The only way you can get this is if you artificially manufacture it,” Prof Dalgleish told the Daily Mail. The finding caused the pair to conclude “the likelihood of (Covid-19) being the result of natural processes is very small”.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 29, 2021 18:33:20 GMT 8
Re selling it. Down here if they had 4 million Pfizer shots people could get today, you’d have 4 million Victorians with it. They need to sell it in WA and qld. But not down here. We're going through IVF and there's little to no mention of vaccines and the effect on the male/female reproductive system. So we're holding off as long as possible Good luck with the IVF. I hope that you are successful. You should discuss your options for vaccination with your doctor. There is a lot of myths on social media about the vaccines causing infertility in females. In the trails of the vaccines and now that millions of vaccines have been administered there is no evidence that vaccines cause infertility. None of the chemicals in any of the vaccines are known to cause fertility problems. Of course the anti vaxers that post these myths have no idea if getting Covid will impact fertility either.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 29, 2021 18:55:18 GMT 8
I had my second Sinopharm shot yesterday. With the first one I had a sore arm for a couple of days and felt tired. So far no effects from the second jab. I should get full efficacy, of about 79%, in 14 days. Unlike the western vaccines there is relatively little information on the side effects of Sinopharm. The nurse who gave me the vaccine did not speak any English. Sadly we have not covered "Tell me about vaccine side effects" in my Mongolian lessons yet . In Mongolian I was able to ask if I could have the box that the vaccine came in. Unfortunately I do not read Chinese.
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Post by Peter on May 29, 2021 19:06:06 GMT 8
Google camera translation might help.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 29, 2021 19:20:59 GMT 8
Google camera translation might help. It is children's day this week. All of the employees children received a present. This was a post on FB and the Google translation. I do not have a lot of confidence in Google translate
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Post by sammyb on May 29, 2021 20:09:10 GMT 8
Thanks Ironnerd ✌️ Yeah we just want to make sure that we do all we can. It's pretty full on. Normally I'd get the Vax asap. But for now Mr McGowan is doing a lot of keeping us safe. You're bloody brave doing what you are. Respect 😎👍✌️
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Post by chris on May 29, 2021 20:22:01 GMT 8
Thanks Ironnerd ✌️ Yeah we just want to make sure that we do all we can. It's pretty full on. Normally I'd get the Vax asap. But for now Mr McGowan is doing a lot of keeping us safe. You're bloody brave doing what you are. Respect 😎👍✌️ It’s not about mcclown keeping you safe it’s about your community responsibility and getting vaccinated and so we join the rest of the world and protect the vulnerable by having heard immunity.
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Post by BogFrog on May 29, 2021 21:33:31 GMT 8
Thanks Ironnerd ✌️ Yeah we just want to make sure that we do all we can. It's pretty full on. Normally I'd get the Vax asap. But for now Mr McGowan is doing a lot of keeping us safe. You're bloody brave doing what you are. Respect 😎👍✌️ It’s not about mcclown keeping you safe it’s about your community responsibility and getting vaccinated and so we join the rest of the world and protect the vulnerable by having heard immunity. Yep, I agree with you, however we can accept that some people can't get vaccinated for various reasons. I can accept that someone going through IVF is one of those "various reasons" if they feel that way. There is no evidence to say that it will be harmful, but it hasn't been out long enough to prove that it isn't. And the guilt and self-recriminations that IVFers go through is bad enough without adding this to it. Yes yes, if they get covid etc etc but let them make the decision
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Post by Peter on May 30, 2021 6:11:25 GMT 8
It’s not about mcclown keeping you safe it’s about your community responsibility and getting vaccinated and so we join the rest of the world and protect the vulnerable by having heard immunity. Yep, I agree with you, however we can accept that some people can't get vaccinated for various reasons. I can accept that someone going through IVF is one of those "various reasons" if they feel that way. There is no evidence to say that it will be harmful, but it hasn't been out long enough to prove that it isn't. And the guilt and self-recriminations that IVFers go through is bad enough without adding this to it. Yes yes, if they get covid etc etc but let them make the decision Absolutely right. But there are still 70% of selfish people,saying, I don’t need the vaccine as we have no Covid here and not thinking about those still trapped overseas or those here wanting to see family outside of Australia they haven’t seen for years and maybe another 12 months. we all know someone selfish. most in WA or Queensland.
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Post by Ironnerd on May 30, 2021 6:45:24 GMT 8
Yep, I agree with you, however we can accept that some people can't get vaccinated for various reasons. I can accept that someone going through IVF is one of those "various reasons" if they feel that way. There is no evidence to say that it will be harmful, but it hasn't been out long enough to prove that it isn't. And the guilt and self-recriminations that IVFers go through is bad enough without adding this to it. Yes yes, if they get covid etc etc but let them make the decision Absolutely right. But there are still 70% of selfish people,saying, I don’t need the vaccine as we have no Covid here and not thinking about those still trapped overseas or those here wanting to see family outside of Australia they haven’t seen for years and maybe another 12 months. we all know someone selfish. most in WA or Queensland. Not sure why you think that WA and Queensland are selfish. Vaccination rates (per 100) around Australia are: NT 0.27 TAS 0.22 VIC 0.17 (until the recent outbreak it was 0.11) ACT 0.17 NSW 0.13 SA 0.11 WA 0.11 QLD 0.09 All of those numbers are very low.
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Post by goughy on May 30, 2021 6:50:02 GMT 8
Thanks Ironnerd ✌️ Yeah we just want to make sure that we do all we can. It's pretty full on. Normally I'd get the Vax asap. But for now Mr McGowan is doing a lot of keeping us safe. You're bloody brave doing what you are. Respect 😎👍✌️ It’s not about mcclown keeping you safe it’s about your community responsibility and getting vaccinated and so we join the rest of the world and protect the vulnerable by having heard immunity. All cool Sammy! IVF is a nightmare of drugs, and temps, and stress. Been there done that. Take care of yourselves. There is always going to be a percentage of people who will push back! Normally it wouldn't be as high as it is now, but pretty much everyone in a position to move this along has done something to stymie this. Govts lying about how will it's progressing (just say it's going sh!t for god's sake). Premier's not having had it yet. All they need to do is tell us that stage borders will close because of our breaks, international borders will stay closed, and returning citizens will have to go through hotel quarantine (rather than say self quarantine at home) until enough of the population is vaccinated. Then also attach it to govt benefits like family tax benefit a and b, and watch them all flood in to get it. Get my second dose on the 21st.
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Post by Peter on May 30, 2021 7:31:45 GMT 8
Absolutely right. But there are still 70% of selfish people,saying, I don’t need the vaccine as we have no Covid here and not thinking about those still trapped overseas or those here wanting to see family outside of Australia they haven’t seen for years and maybe another 12 months. we all know someone selfish. most in WA or Queensland. Not sure why you think that WA and Queensland are selfish. Vaccination rates (per 100) around Australia are: NT 0.27 TAS 0.22 VIC 0.17 (until the recent outbreak it was 0.11) ACT 0.17 NSW 0.13 SA 0.11 WA 0.11 QLD 0.09 All of those numbers are very low. Stats don’t lie. the Queensland premier doesn’t even want to have the vaccine. she lied about her flu injection being the reason when there was footage of her getting it months ago with the fake needle.
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Post by roxii on May 30, 2021 7:32:40 GMT 8
Absolutely right. But there are still 70% of selfish people,saying, I don’t need the vaccine as we have no Covid here and not thinking about those still trapped overseas or those here wanting to see family outside of Australia they haven’t seen for years and maybe another 12 months. we all know someone selfish. most in WA or Queensland. Not sure why you think that WA and Queensland are selfish. Vaccination rates (per 100) around Australia are: NT 0.27 TAS 0.22 VIC 0.17 (until the recent outbreak it was 0.11) ACT 0.17 NSW 0.13 SA 0.11 WA 0.11 QLD 0.09 All of those numbers are very low. But Greg Hunt said 20% ?
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Post by Peter on May 30, 2021 8:21:50 GMT 8
Not sure why you think that WA and Queensland are selfish. Vaccination rates (per 100) around Australia are: NT 0.27 TAS 0.22 VIC 0.17 (until the recent outbreak it was 0.11) ACT 0.17 NSW 0.13 SA 0.11 WA 0.11 QLD 0.09 All of those numbers are very low. I think the clip proved Greg hunt was lying or told the wrong figures. Probably a bit of both. But Greg Hunt said 20% ?
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Post by roxii on May 30, 2021 12:07:21 GMT 8
Thanks Ironnerd ✌️ Yeah we just want to make sure that we do all we can. It's pretty full on. Normally I'd get the Vax asap. But for now Mr McGowan is doing a lot of keeping us safe. You're bloody brave doing what you are. Respect 😎👍✌️ I’m all for everyone that can get the vaccine to get the vaccine however I get your hesitancy and having seen some friends go through ivf unsuccessfully I know that any little thing can lead to an unsuccessful round of what can be an emotionally and financially draining process. Good luck with the whole thing mate I trust you to get vaccinated when you can.
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