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Post by flanman on Dec 18, 2022 14:57:15 GMT 8
There is a FB petition to keep everything in Kona. It will not work, despite the effort of some.
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Post by Peter on Dec 22, 2022 3:59:57 GMT 8
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Post by steve on Jan 6, 2023 2:10:12 GMT 8
Per this morning's email from the mdot people:
"We are pleased to now announce that Nice, France will co-host the 2023 and 2024 VinFast IRONMAN World Championship events. In 2023, men will race in Nice, France on September 10 and women will race in Kailua-Kona, Hawai`i on October 14.
"In 2024 we will exchange locations, with women racing in Nice and men racing in Kailua-Kona".
Men will race in Kona on 26 October 2024 and the women in Nice on 22 September 2024.
Emails to previously qualified athletes are supposed to be going out today, with info about what comes next. Presumably, that'll include details about the virtual roll downs for Taupo and Busso.
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Post by steve on Jan 6, 2023 2:26:50 GMT 8
The new slot allocations are posted, too:
For Kona/Nice in 2023: IMNZ, 4 March 2023 - 50 male/50 female IMOz, 7 May 2023 - 50 male/50 female IM Cairns, 18 June 2023 - 75 male/75 female
The last male 2023 qualifier is Lake Placid on 23 July. After that, there's a drop in the number of male slots for Kona in 2024 allocated to the August 2023 races, 15 each for Tallinn and Gdynia and 20 each for Kalmar, Cork, Mont-Tremblant and Copenhagen. Looks like they're anticipating a lot of deferrals to 2024. Women will qualify for this year's Kona race through August. No details on slots past August 2023 yet.
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Post by Peter on Jan 6, 2023 5:36:40 GMT 8
The new slot allocations are posted, too: For Kona/Nice in 2023: IMNZ, 4 March 2023 - 50 male/50 female IMOz, 7 May 2023 - 50 male/50 female IM Cairns, 18 June 2023 - 75 male/75 female The last male 2023 qualifier is Lake Placid on 23 July. After that, there's a drop in the number of male slots for Kona in 2024 allocated to the August 2023 races, 15 each for Tallinn and Gdynia and 20 each for Kalmar, Cork, Mont-Tremblant and Copenhagen. Looks like they're anticipating a lot of deferrals to 2024. Women will qualify for this year's Kona race through August. No details on slots past August 2023 yet. What about the bonus extra slots for women. Did they take them away as there were heaps at cairns or have they increased the numbers for nice ?
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Post by steve on Jan 6, 2023 7:46:02 GMT 8
If they're increasing the number of women's slots from, what, 800 or something like that?, to 2,500, then that's the bonus. If.
They certainly seem to be pimping Nice slots. There are 150 Nice slots for men at Hamburg, Frankfurt and Klagenfurt (versus 80, 50 & 50 Kona slots respectively for women). The June Nice race has 200 slots for men and 50 slots for women. There are 100 male slots at Bolton and Vitoria, versus 65 & 50 for women. OTOH, Lake Placid has 65 Nice slots for the men and 100 Kona slots for women. So it's looking like they figure Nice will be more attractive to Europeans.
Welcome to the Hemispheric Championships.
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Post by k3vski on Jan 6, 2023 9:43:48 GMT 8
I've selected to defer my legacy spot to 2024. Kona 2024 race date is October 26. A bit later in the year compared to previous years.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Jan 6, 2023 12:15:22 GMT 8
I've selected to defer my legacy spot to 2024. Kona 2024 race date is October 26. A bit later in the year compared to previous years. Won’t they just send you to Nice in 2024, given the gendered approach to splitting the race in two?
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Post by k3vski on Jan 6, 2023 13:02:03 GMT 8
Mens race Kona in 2024 and womens race Nice in 2024 Just to clarify I am a man
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Post by steve on Jan 7, 2023 14:04:16 GMT 8
While refreshing my browser every five minutes, waiting for the email about the men's virtual roll down for Taupo, I noodled the new slot allocations. For the races that happened before the first announcement about the two locations, I assumed a two-thirds/one-third male/female split of the total slots listed. Without rounding for the uncertainty involved, the result is:
Men - Nice 2023/Kona 2024: 700 Men - Nice 2023 only: 1,685 Men - Total: 2,385
Women - Kona 2023: 2,074
Men - Kona 2024: 110
WTC has room for women legacy athletes at Kona, probably the entire backlog with probably a bunch of slots left over to sell elsewhere. Even if every man with the choice opts for Kona, they'll still have ~1,800 slots left for 2024-only qualifiers, which is something like what they usually had previously. So no loss for them, potentially they're just deferring the gain in male reg fees by a year. Any that opt for Nice would open up legacy or executive or other bonus slots at Kona. However once everyone with the option declares, they'll have to increase the Nice slots on offer or pull the St. George "y'all come" trick with AWAs and others to fill out the field.
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Post by Peter on Jan 7, 2023 14:20:18 GMT 8
. Welcome to the Hemispheric Championships. Well given the yanks have been about to do a local flight without visas and currency changes and short flights, its good The euros will have an advantage in their backyard. joe skipper is rapt with the nice race.
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Post by steve on Jan 8, 2023 1:35:46 GMT 8
Well given the yanks have been about to do a local flight without visas and currency changes and short flights, its good The euros will have an advantage in their backyard. True that. Moving the world championship for the mdot Ironman series around the world is the fair thing to do. But allocating slots on the basis of where you'll sell the most regos, rather than trying to attract a representative sample of the best athletes from everywhere in the world, shows it for what it is: a business strategy for doubling revenue. Nothing wrong with running it as a business. That's what WTC is. I'm just not buying the BS they're wrapping this all in.
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Post by roxii on Jan 8, 2023 5:24:03 GMT 8
The poor business owners in Nice better ready themselves for a whole load of American tourists flustered that the rest of the world doesn’t accept US dollars. 😂
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Post by andrewearlwood on Jan 8, 2023 6:42:57 GMT 8
The poor business owners in Nice better ready themselves for a whole load of American tourists flustered that the rest of the world doesn’t accept US dollars. 😂 This would be a problem in tax avoiding Italy, where most small businesses have a cash only policy; but I’d imagine that the tourist traps on the French Riviera are well used to tap and go card purchases - and have suitably large price markups to ‘compensate’ them for actually having to pay some tax.
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Post by Peter on Jan 11, 2023 13:36:44 GMT 8
The poor business owners in Nice better ready themselves for a whole load of American tourists flustered that the rest of the world doesn’t accept US dollars. 😂 The yanks won't go. Most have never heard of passports.
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Post by andrewearlwood on Jan 12, 2023 9:42:12 GMT 8
The poor business owners in Nice better ready themselves for a whole load of American tourists flustered that the rest of the world doesn’t accept US dollars. 😂 The yanks won't go. Most have never heard of passports. Some yanks will go (ie. the serious insects that actually think that winning an age group title actually matters) but the viability of this event will determined by how many Europeans are prepared to step up and backfill the otherwise vacant slots for the yanks (and Australians amongst others) that will not travel. Maybe I’m not up to date, but I believe that most - maybe all - European ironman races are fully subscribed, so the chances of a bunch of European males putting their hand up to do a second European ironman at the end of their season must be pretty high (particularly the poms: the anti-Kona whinge seems to emanate from the whinging pommy brigade; also the French [home soil]; the Spanish [just across the border]; Italians [ditto] and the Germans - who are crazy mad for ironman races [witness how oversubscribed Roth, Frankfurt and Hamburg are]) . Dunno whether the same could be said for the European female triathlon community though; I guess we’ll find out by the end of 2024.
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Post by prince on Jan 12, 2023 10:44:27 GMT 8
I hate to say it, but i think Nice will be very successful as it will have 3-4 times the amount of spectators at least than Kona will, and it will grown each year. More spectators means more money spent and Ironman will get some sort of percentage from this. If you think about it, the majority of spectators at Kona are fiends and family of those racing and with only the females racing, i can't see much of a crowd at all this year. I think it is only a few years away before Ironman have both mens and women at the same place and there will not be any work champs at Kona. Actually think that's their long term plan anyway. Kona will survive however as either just another ironman race or an irondistance race.
There is no doubt that they need both men and women (at leat the pros) at the same venue and if Nice won't do two days, then it needs to find another home.
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Post by steve on Jan 12, 2023 12:04:48 GMT 8
The Ironman Group's reply to my email asking when the men's roll down for Taupo would be:
"We don’t have a date confirmed for roll down yet. You will be contacted when the process starts. Please reach out again if you have any further questions".
Anyone heard anything about Busso?
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Post by aplover on Jan 13, 2023 7:11:14 GMT 8
The Ironman Group's reply to my email asking when the men's roll down for Taupo would be: "We don’t have a date confirmed for roll down yet. You will be contacted when the process starts. Please reach out again if you have any further questions". Anyone heard anything about Busso? I’m in line for a spot from busso , but have had no contact about roll down as yet they did say at the time it would be in feb
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Post by steve on Jan 19, 2023 4:50:30 GMT 8
Got an email last night: men's virtual roll down for IMNZ starts today. Confirmed that we can choose between Nice this year or Kona next year.
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Post by aplover on Jan 22, 2023 4:04:26 GMT 8
I knocked my spot back from busso as the aim is/was to do kona with the other half
Everyone I know took kona 24 instead of nice , except one and he can KQ anytime (like most females can in this “new era” )
Even I know of male legacy folks getting the option for kona 24 , all of them are gunna take kona , you would be super pissed if you finnaly get a legacy and gotta go to nice Sorta defeats the purpose of having a legacy to the big dance and then actually moving the big dance to a hay shed
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Post by Peter on Jan 22, 2023 8:52:06 GMT 8
Legacy should only be granted kona in the years the women race to boost the numbers
They didn’t qualify and aren’t racing for podium.
And a bonus, the queues for the men’s on race day would be short.
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Post by steve on Jan 22, 2023 9:52:32 GMT 8
I knocked my spot back from busso as the aim is/was to do kona with the other half Everyone I know took kona 24 instead of nice , except one and he can KQ anytime (like most females can in this “new era” ) Even I know of male legacy folks getting the option for kona 24 , all of them are gunna take kona , you would be super pissed if you finnaly get a legacy and gotta go to nice Sorta defeats the purpose of having a legacy to the big dance and then actually moving the big dance to a hay shed I took Kona 2024 too. Won't be as much fun with just guys, but it's still Kona.
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Post by roxii on Jan 22, 2023 18:36:23 GMT 8
I knocked my spot back from busso as the aim is/was to do kona with the other half Everyone I know took kona 24 instead of nice , except one and he can KQ anytime (like most females can in this “new era” ) Even I know of male legacy folks getting the option for kona 24 , all of them are gunna take kona , you would be super pissed if you finnaly get a legacy and gotta go to nice Sorta defeats the purpose of having a legacy to the big dance and then actually moving the big dance to a hay shed I took Kona 2024 too. Won't be as much fun with just guys, but it's still Kona. Undie run will look like the Mardi Gras parade.
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Post by Peter on Jan 22, 2023 20:19:18 GMT 8
I took Kona 2024 too. Won't be as much fun with just guys, but it's still Kona. Undie run will look like the Mardi Gras parade. But the women’s one this year will be fantastic
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Post by andrewearlwood on Jan 23, 2023 6:39:50 GMT 8
Undie run will look like the Mardi Gras parade. But the women’s one this year will be fantastic It will however still resemble the Mardi Gras parade. Only more so if you think about it …
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Post by aplover on Jan 23, 2023 7:50:00 GMT 8
I took Kona 2024 too. Won't be as much fun with just guys, but it's still Kona. Undie run will look like the Mardi Gras parade. It did anyways
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Post by aplover on Jan 23, 2023 7:51:49 GMT 8
Legacy should only be granted kona in the years the women race to boost the numbers They didn’t qualify and aren’t racing for podium. And a bonus, the queues for the men’s on race day would be short. Yep The legacy IS kona
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Post by andrewearlwood on Jan 23, 2023 8:34:23 GMT 8
Legacy should only be granted kona in the years the women race to boost the numbers They didn’t qualify and aren’t racing for podium. And a bonus, the queues for the men’s on race day would be short. Yep The legacy IS kona Wouldn’t be an issue if they kept ‘the Hawaiian Ironman’ race running annually, with the ‘serious insect’ world championship race being split between two locations if the WTC must. *Each year have a single gendered world championship race rotating between Kona and Nice. Maximum field of 1500 athletes; * have a 2,500 odd athlete ‘Hawaiian ironman’ all genders catered for race for legacy athletes, and expanded lottery, corporate athletes, freak show yadda yadda - with rolling starts from 7:30 am and their transition area situated behind the hotels at the end of the Kona pier in the open blocks of land there; and * Nice to combine their ‘serious insect’ world championship gendered race and the annual Nice Ironman to be held on the same day along similar lines as the Kona race. * If WTC really want to make money out of Kona they should expand the legacy program such that any 8+ironman finisher can entered the race by right, in the year of their choosing, and be able to repeat this experience again after say a 3 year gap between legacy races. Repeat customers: that’s where the money is at.
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Post by Peter on Jan 23, 2023 11:35:30 GMT 8
Stop talking commensense Andrew.
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